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shafique

Do you really want to bring up pogroms?

But thanks for taking the time to read about the terrorists in the name of Jesus.

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

YUSUFALI: We (once) sent Noah to his people, and he tarried among them a thousand years less fifty: but the Deluge overwhelmed them while they (persisted in) sin. Seems pretty clear to me. But, just to play your game, who are these other Muslims who do not believe Noah performed dawah for 950 years...

shafique

The one's I posted and highlighted in bold, and also (coincidentally) the ones we agree contradict your interpretation of 9.29 etc.

I'll let you go back and refresh your memory.

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

So you agree that this is another contradiction then. Cool. I don't understand what you believing whether I have read the NT or not has to do with anything - your memory is quite short, for I have told you that I have indeed read the NT. Hence why I know what Christians choose to ignore in the Bible...

shafique

Perhaps that quote was in response to Muhammad's war crimes that receive no condemnation by Muslims? Perhaps it was, but in this forum it is you that is silent about the condemnation of a Jewish Terrorist. I've even condemned the imagined crimes that you've brought up, let alone real crimes - so I ...

shafique

I forgot to quote what the Bible says on Noah's age: Genesis 9:28-29 (King James Version) 28And Noah lived after the flood three hundred and fifty years. 29And all the days of Noah were nine hundred and fifty years: and he died I would also therefore disagree with those who took the Bible literally ...

shafique

Nope, I'm always happy to cite the pogroms carried out by Islamists in Idnonesia or the more common and recent pogroms carried out against Christians in Egypt and Pakistan. I'm happy to cite European pogroms against Jews as well. Care to compare the numbers killed? (I'll even exclude the Holocaust ...

shafique

I take it you can't explain away this contradiction then, thank you for at least making this clear in fewer posts than the other thread. I'll move on to Contradiction No. 3 in due course. (over the years I've learnt to ignore personal attacks which are meant to disguise a lack of basis for rational ...

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Yes, we agree that a passage that says to attack unbelievers because they are unbelievers contradicts a passage which says for Muslims to attack Pagans after they are first attacked. One must choose which passage to follow! Glad we agree - indeed we must choose which interpretation to believe. Than...

shafique

There you go again, talking about the Quran in a thread about a Jewish Terrorist that you refuse to condemn. Have you seen anyone about this obsession? ;) Is it really so hard to not come out and admit that you can't condemn Goldstein as a religious terrorist? As the Pope says: Qui tacet consentiret...

shafique

No problems, go back to my posts and you'll see the background to the Tripuran Christians - they are all converts from Hinduism, most converted since 1980, and the first conversions to the Baptist church taking place around 60 years ago. What is interesting is that the Church is complicit in supplyi...

shafique

As the other thread was getting unwieldly, I started this one so that we can focus on the numbers. I had one Catholic convert whose actions led to many hundreds of deaths, when we looked at the UK. Expanding the search to Asia, I will be adding the following to my count. I'll let eh supply his count...

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Ok, I think I will have to do this year by year - starting with 2001. I've selected only the incidents listed as caused by the Christian terrorists, and not those just 'suspected'. I've ignored the abductions and only counted the deaths and injuries. Also, where numbers of terrorists are not given, ...

shafique

We agree that these are Christian terrorists, and I've shown you that they are converts from Hinduism. I agree it is an inconvenient truth that Fox News doesn't highlight the brutality of these Christian terrorists who want to convert people to Christianity, but hey - you set the parameters. Anyway,...

shafique

Totally agree eh-oh - glad you've been digesting what I've been reading. The majority of Mullahs are indeed as bad as the Medieval Christian clergy - therein stems most of the problems of the Muslim world. Would you blame Jesus and Christianity for the ills of the Medieval Christians? (Think about i...

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What a strange question! The 'vision' Paul had was his 'conversion' on the road to Damascus - the point I was making was that Paul was not a disciple and never met Jesus, and yet we have a branch of Christianity called 'Pauline Christianity' - which is distinct from Jewish Christianity (see the prio...

shafique

I agreed that some take the verses literally - and most cite Genesis as corroboration of this view. Many Christians also believe Genesis is literal and Noah lived for 950 years. I guess that the Bible is as correct as the Quran on this matter (if we take the verses literally, which I personally don'...

shafique

eh - please try and keep up, how many times do we have to point out to you that your interpretation of Quranic verses is not gospel? I thought you'd be happy that I agreed with you that the Quran contradicts your interpretation of 9.29 etc. But I guess you're a hard boy to please! Cheers, Shafique

shafique

Still no answer to the question.. interesting that.

Can I conclude you agree that there is a blatant contradiction here and you can't answer the simple question - did those with Paul hear a voice or not?

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

Your question here was - what was the vision, please see the edited post above for the clarification. As for the differences between Pauline and Jewish Christianity - you've shown that you disagree with Kung et al on this and other subjects. Hey - I'm all for a radical way of thinking - go for it ma...

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Ahhh - what's the matter, is the prospect of counting up your totals causing you trouble? These are Christian terrorists who want to convert hindus to Christianity - Church officials have supplied them with explosives etc. But whether they are officially part of the Baptist Church or not is moot - t...

shafique

In relation to how many converts etc: In Tripura, for instance, there were no Christians at independence, the maharaja of the state was a Hindu and there were innumerable temples all over the State. But from 1950, Christian missionaries (with Nehru’s blessings) went into the deep forests of Tripura ...

shafique

Ok, fair enough. I certainly concede that NLFT are converts to Christianity. Great. My totals are in the post above, I'll add to that when I get to the other years (2004 onwards). The list is quite gruesome - includes women and children being killed. And the abductions aren't included in the list. ...

shafique

Did the women agree with eh's interpretation? Do you? Do you think God says it is ok to beat women in this verse which talks about corporal punishment as the last of a series of measures? As I said, God's words are pretty clear - and I don't know of any Muslim man who beats their wife and uses this ...

shafique

So, when I say God does not condone wife battery - you call that a 'smart argument' in defence of beating women? Hmm. I guess we are all entitled to our logical twists - but I'm struggling to follow that one. I'll defend your right to think what you like, but I can't say I can follow your logic. Th...

shafique

Just having a bit of fun with our young friend.

The serious point is that there are numpties in all societies.

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

What did you expect in a thread entltled 'stupid folk'?

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

Indeed, it is simple - but did the men who beat their wives do all three? HAHA! So u are saying if men do all three it is ok? What I've been saying is that this is what God says in the Quran. One can only resort to corporal punishment after first verbally warning, then abstaining from the marital b...

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Misery Called Life wrote:
Bora Bora wrote:
shafique wrote:What did you expect in a thread entltled 'stupid folk'?

Cheers,
Shafique

Well, you did start the thread didn't you??

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Owwch!

shafique

Is it just me, or does the kid bear an uncanny resemblance to Muhammad Al Fayed (Harrods)?

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