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What confused you about my answer?

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Shafique

shafique

This thread is about contradictions in the Quran right -or is my pc playing up?

It seems that eh is really taken aback by the fact I agree with him!

(To the extent he's asking for answers which have already been given - fun to watch!)

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

What has destroying crops got to do with Goldstein the Jewish terrorist and the fact you haven't condemned him? Are you really having trouble with thread headings? So, you believe comparing a Jewish terrorist with Muhammad, pbuh, is a valid comparison, but comparing him against Moses (who killed cap...

shafique

As I said, I can play your game that 9:29 is not universal command. So you have changed your mind and agree that there isn't a contradiction in the Quran!!? I thought you'd be pleased I agree that the Quran contradicts your interpretation of 9.29 - but you don't seem to be easily pleased. Why is th...

shafique

Ok, I can understand that eh is a bit confused and is asking the same question again - it was a week ago that I answered it (on the second page of this thread) at Wed Sep 16, 2009 7:30 am

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Shafique

shafique

Sorry, apart from my previous posts and quotes, I don't have anything more to add. No war crimes is the conclusion I also arrive at too - but hey, perhaps all the scholars/historians and I are totally wrong and eh is right. As I said, I refer you to the post about naive empiricism. Cheers, Shafique

shafique

Yes, hence I asked what your latest count was - and I also specified we would count the numbers of victims. Apologies if I was unclear - but I did give 1 and 6? for the counts of actual and alleged terrorists. I also gave you the number 26 for the body count of the one numpty you came up with. So wh...

shafique

Which part of 'I have nothing more to add' confused you?

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

As the quote and historical record shows, the siege of Taif was just that - a siege. The siege was not a military success and the Muslims raised (i.e. stopped) the siege - because the encampment was well fortified and well-provisioned. The catapaults etc were used against the battlements and were p...

shafique

Me to post verses from Ch 9? Pour quoi, mon ami? Was my post from a week ago confusing?

As I said, I agree with you that the Quran contradicts your interpretation of 9.29. Is this agreement causing you grief?

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

shafique wrote:Ok, I can understand that eh is a bit confused and is asking the same question again - it was a week ago that I answered it (on the second page of this thread) at Wed Sep 16, 2009 7:30 am

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

Some vines destroyed vs Orientalist spin of Israeli-style destruction of orchards. No difference, you say.

The inhabitants of Taif didn't surrender and the Muslims lifted the siege. Do try and read your own quotations eh, you'll be less confused.

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

Now that eh has expanded his count of terrorist converts from the UK to now include the US, it allows us to look at the phenomenon of Christian terrorism in the US. First, this is what an Atheist site lists as Biblical commandments for Christians to kill non-Christians: http://www.atheistrev.com/200...

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Another interesting article from Haaretz on Netanyahu's speech and his comparison of Hamas with Nazis. Not only does Levy make the point that Netanyahu doesn't seem to have a grasp of 60 year old history, he joins me in being floored by the reference to the Gaza bombardment being 'pinpoint': Netanya...

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It certainly is refreshing to have respectful discussions with people on subjects that we have views on and perhaps are passionate about. I am never surprised that I learn from others and have to constantly re-evaluate prior beliefs. Some issues I have debated at length and I can usually spot a trol...

shafique

Welcome back FD - ratboy/ikka/eh-oh has been feeling a bit lonely. Perhaps you can help him out in the Baruch Goldstein thread - he's been labouring under the impression that the good doctor/terrorist was influenced by the Quran, you may find it as amusing as I did, or you may be more charitable and...

shafique

Speedhump and I recently had a brief exchange on the nature/need of religion - that got me thinking and reminded me of a book I read a while back, called 'Revelation, Rationality, Knowledge and Truth'. This is available on the web, and I thought I'd just quote a bit of the section that deals with th...

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I also sometimes think that the UK has gone PC crazee over the religious issue. I recall the case of the British Airways employee who was told to put away a small crucifix and not have it on show; and also the injunctions not to have 'Christmas' lights/shows/plays but 'end of year' festivities to no...

shafique

eh-oh, it appears that in your world everyone but you is wrong, and what is a contradiction makes sense, and answers can be ignored. It is fascinating to see the way your mind works - Goldstein is not to be condemned, but was influenced by the Quran, you here start a thread saying the Quran contradi...

shafique

Well, I agree you believe Muhammad, pbuh, actions consituted war crimes and collective punishments. I've quoted historians who disagree with your interpretations of events (eg calling what you term massacres as 'clement punishments). So the disagreements we may have are actually over your interpreta...

shafique

eh-oh, please stop dancing around like Tinky-winky and focus. You started in the UK, the count is one terrorist, which I matched. Next you seemed to want to jump over to North America, now you are jumping to Pakistan. Did you not understand that I asked for you to produce your latest count, includin...

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A piece from the Guardian giving some detail about the Iranian plant - but for our friends who have short attention spans..I've summarised it with this extract ;) : Beware politically motivated hype. .. So when Obama announced that “Iran is breaking rules that all nations must follow”, he is technic...

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Since I was referred to, let me give some facts: 1. The Quran does not say virgins go to heaven, it does say that those in heaven will have heavenly companions (applies to men and women) - and commonly referenced when referring to the promise of '72 virgins' - something else not in the Quran, but in...

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As I said, it is interesting that you started a new thread on exactly the same topic. Did you think I would not notice or that I would suddenly forget that I posted a fuller account of the incident to counter your selective quotes and Orientalist interpretation/spin? I understand you may not have un...

shafique

^You've believed wierder things - like 'women not speaking in Church' does not contradict 'women can be deacons in church', or a Jewish Terrorist who you can't bring yourself to condemn was influenced by the Quran, or that when we agree that the Quran contradicts your interpretation of some verses -...

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You and your assumptions again! I'd rather use the description 'beliefs' - but hey, why quibble over semantics? ;) You introduced some statistics about an increase in honour attacks in the UK - I pointed out that if you were interested in the truth, you'd put these into context (but after I condemne...

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An article from April this year highlighting what he calls a 'self-deluding fallacy': Yes, there are Christian terrorists among us By Leonard Pitts Jr. Miami Herald A few words about Christian terrorism. And I suppose the first words should be about "those" words: "Christian terrorism...

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Here's an interesting fact - according to the FBI, between 1980 and 2005 there were more terrorist acts by Jewish extremists than there were by Muslim extremists. Note that we aren't talking about acts carried by Jews - but acts carried out by Jews in the name of their religion. According to this da...

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I agree they are sick questions - but you said you 'saw' this happen. The lack of details in your 'answers' speak volumes. Either the men who you say beat their wives and used this verse as an excuse followed what God says in the verse or they did not. As you can't tell us whether they kept away fro...

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