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shafique

Actually, I agree with you that your interpretation of 9.29 (which you are projecting on 'majority of scholars') is contradicted by other verses of the Quran.

I'd hate to think how much you'd post if I disagreed with you on this point!

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Shafique

shafique

Now that 'eh' has finally agreed that Israeli collective punishments etc as listed by Amnesty International etc are to be condemned by him (as I condemn them too) - I guess we may eventually get him to clarify whether he supports Goldstein or condemns him as the religiously motivated terrorist he wa...

shafique

But I agree - the actions of Muhammad as recorded by Muslim historians should be condemned and which meet the definition of collective punishment. Cool, we have agreement - if your view of history is correct, then indeed Muhammad, pbuh, should indeed be condemned. I'm glad we agree that Muhammad wa...

shafique

Could some check whether pigs have started flying in Dubai - in the religion forum 'eh'-oh/rat boy has come round to admitting that he agrees Israeli crimes against humanity are to be condemned. :shock: Those who said trolls don't change their minds .... no.... hold on.... "even a broken clock ...

shafique

^There is no difference in your mind, and I agree that both should be condemned, the imagined and the real.

I'm so glad that we agree that Israeli and imagined Muslim war crimes should both be condemned.

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

Huh? Goldstein wasn't involved in any blockades - he was a colonialist in occupied Palestine, where he committed his religiously motivated massacre on a Jewish festival. Why the confusion eh-oh? C'mon, you've made a good step in admitting that Israeli war crimes/crimes against humanity, as described...

shafique

I agree you think everyone but yourself is confused - but thanks for starting this thread to show that you agree the Quran contradicts your 'plain reading' of 9.29. So - I agree with your initial post that the Quranic verses you quoted contradict your 'plain reading' of 9.29. Is there anything else ...

shafique

Well, I've never denied that the Bible contains contradictions - so it is strange that you ask whether I've changed my mind on the subject, especially as you've quoted Biblical scholars who say it is a contradiction and that this misogynistic verse was a later fabrication. I totally agree that Chris...

shafique

So now you are extolling the moral virtues of Goldstein.

Interesting response when I ask whether you condemn him or not. I had you down for a Christian - perhaps I was mistaken and you're just a serial cut and paste junkie?

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

What part of the destruction of vineyards to force a civilian population to surrender is imagined??? Umm, the part that isn't true and explained in the fuller explanations of the historical events (which you don't want to read, understandably). But hey - I have already conceded that you think every...

shafique

Shafique, do you agree that preventing civilians from taking in supplies of food and then laying a complete siege of their encampment is a form of collective punishment? That is what the Israelis do, and yes I condemn this - as do the UN, Amnesty International et al. Bombing of Dresden, Hiroshima, ...

shafique

^Sense of humour failure? Ahh - you're not sulking now are you eh-oh? Tell me not! :) At least ebonics and FD had a sense of humour - I'm sure you may develop one as you mature. I guess the irony that you choose today to post two long 'cut and paste' Orientalist jobbies in the religion forum (just b...

shafique

I think I've been very clear - Muhammad, pbuh, has not committed any war crimes - but has been accused of these by Orientalists and those who refuse to consider the whole evidence. But I also concede that the facts won't change your mind and that you think I'm wrong to believe that the Quran is corr...

shafique

I agree you want to believe this spin of events - and hey, I've conceded that I'd condemn this if it had happened.

You're the one who refuses to condemn Israeli actions - but hey, why let that bother you?

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

^ You say there is a contradiction to your interpretation of 9.29 in other verses of the Quran, I agree with you. Do you always continue to ask questions when people agree with you?? (It is strange that you are asking a question that was answered in a long quote and even highlighted in bold - perhap...

shafique

^Thanks - I guess you'll be writing to Prof Kung to tell him he is wrong then. :roll: How could we have been soooo stupid - now you've clarified it, of course there isn't a contradiction. :? How enlightening for the Bible to say: And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home ...

shafique

Still no condemnation of Goldstein? Fascinating how when discussing the actions of a Jewish terrorist, you first say he was influenced by the Quran (still cracks me up), then want to compare him to Muhammad, pbuh. Why not compare him to Moses - surely Moses was more wicked as he apparently killed wo...

shafique

^ Yep, as I thought - sense of humour failure.

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

Ok - so now we've expanded the count to include the Americas... you should have said. (You previously were only counting the UK) So what is your count now? - one actual terrorist and now 6? accused of terrorism? (Including the numpties who were entrapped, like this guy here) My count is still only o...

shafique

Actually you missed all the actual terror attacks in Pakistan, Afghanistan and Iraq carried out by 'Islamic fundamentalists'.

Not like you to underestimate actual terrorist acts.

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

I included a ? - after the 6, and also after I asked you what your count is. 26 killed by one numpty, compared to the litany of Fox News headlines - but we started this thread to check whether the headlines matched the statistical reality. Thus far stats seem to be winning. I understand that you wan...

shafique

I refer you to my post on naive empiricism.

Let me know if you can't see the relevance.

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

Sorry to confuse you RC. No, I wouldn't ban Elton - I quite like his music, I've even bought his CDs! He's really just a 'drama queen' - but has vocal views about gay rights. I think he's entitled to speak his mind. My 'words' were just to point out that the UK and US also ban people from entering t...

shafique

I totally agree Melika with your premise. There is no excuse at all for wife battery. My argument is that God does not allow Muslims to batter their wives, and this one verse merely states that corporal punishment is allowed only after 1. admonishment and 2. abstaining from s.ex. We can certainly ha...

shafique

eh asked a pertinent question in the thread about Christian Terrorists: Manhattan bomber - Christian religious fanatic, right? Why speculate, when the answer is there for anyone who wishes to go beyond Fox News headlines: Times Square bombing in retaliation for U.S. drone attacks, No connection to I...

shafique

Well, I guess I should have done a Google! ;) Good to see that the old boy is still performing. I was right about protests though - here's one nutter who was arrested. Man Arrested for Making Death Threat Against Elton John Posted on Mar 15th 2010 12:30PM by John D. Luerssen Can you feel the hate to...

shafique

You'll have to ask God why men and women are different. I've just been making the point that Islam does not condone wife battery - and this one verse about corporal punishment can't be used as an excuse to beat your wife. If it could, then surely we'll have some examples where it has been used as su...

shafique

Fair point - as I said, I would have gone with no ban.

Some Christians want to kill Elton, some Muslims ban him from their country. Both object to his words - bad as each other, if you ask me (well, the Christian nutter is a bit more scary!)

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

shafique

No, that's quite another type of fantasy world altogether!

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