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I agree that if Muhammad had destroyed orchards etc as described by your orientalist friends, then this would indeed be as contemptible as the Israeli destruction of orchards today. I ask again, do you join me in condemning the crimes against humanity that are carried out by the Israelis? (or are y...

shafique

No it is your argument - unless you've changed it. YOU argue that God, in the Quran, contradicts YOUR interpretation of 9.29. Have you changed your argument now? You are right to point out that our reading of 9.29 etc makes the other verses complimentary, not contradictory. But this is your thread a...

shafique

Disapointed, but not surprised that 'eh' is studiously avoiding answering direct questions.

hmmm.

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

Again, yet another epic failure to comprehend the written word. The fact I said it was 'not surprising the Yanks think it noteworthy' to link Amiriki to al-Qaeda was just highlighting that they are stating the obvious - he is no different from all the other fighters that America exports. But then ag...

shafique

Well, the one Muslim terrorist that 'eh' counted was trained and influenced by other numpties who are attracted to violence despite the teachings of Islam. One convert terrorist amongst all the converts to Islam seems hardly a basis to conclude that Islam is at fault. We have one instance of an Amer...

shafique

I agree that if Muhammad, pbuh, committed similar acts to the current Israeli actions, this would similarly be a crime against humanity. I similarly agree that if one takes only the extracts you are wont to quote, one can conclude that war crimes were committed by the early Muslims. But I'm interest...

shafique

Cool - we agree that Muhammad carried out collective punishment and was a war criminal. Happy for you to think this. This is not the strangest belief you've written about here. But it is a strange response to my question about whether you join me in condemning the Israeli war crimes/crimes against ...

shafique

Again with the mixing up of threads! This YOUR thread about contradictions in the Quran. You have argued that the Quran contradicts your interpretation of 9.29 etc - I understand the desire to hide from this fact. It is amusing though to see you not acknowledge it - I call it the 'ostrich defence' -...

shafique

Ah at least you've acknowledged the question - but you still couldn't bring yourself to acknowledge that Goldstein was a religously motivated terrorist and that you condemn him for his actions. But, you also seem to be implying that his actions on Purim in 1994 stem from the Quran - ROFLMAO !!! - ni...

shafique

'eh' spoke about the contradictions in the NT in his 'contradictions' in the Quran thread - so I thought I'd remind him that the thread about the contradictions in the NT is here, and he still needs to explain who is being referred to in this verse - which he believes is original (and scholars such ...

shafique

I voted yes!

I consider myself doing the rest of the forum a favour! (And we seem to have scared of Dattaswami! )

Ahh, the things I do for my fellow men!

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

Naïve empiricism: ..I call this overload of examples naïve empiricism – selections of anecdotes selected to fit a story do not constitute evidence. Anyone looking for confirmation will find enough of it to deceive himself - and no doubt his peers. It is also naïve empiricism to provide, in support ...

shafique

Hey - sounds like a great suggestion.

I'll set up a gmail account just for the purpose - 'arguingaboutwhatdeadpeoplesaidordid@gmail.com'

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

I am not aware of any forms of collective punishment the Israelis have engaged in. Do you know of what the Israelis have done, say in the past fifteen years, that you believe constitutes as a form of collective punishment? Let's get this clear - you believe that Israel hasn't committed any forms of...

shafique

Ahh - I thought you were going to continue with your comedy theme of Goldstein being influenced by the Quran. But - I couldn't see either a condemnation of Goldstein, or indeed a reference to Goldstein in your reply. Did you mistakenly post in this thread? This thread is about whether you 'eh' ackno...

shafique

So you don't know who Paul was addressing and yet you disagree with Kung who says this was a later fabrication. You could have just said so and saved me asking you so many times the question. But I agree with you - at the end of the day, you don't see any contradiction between the verses which say w...

shafique

What confused you about the last few times I answered your question above? Was it the fact that the other verses of Ch 9 do indeed clarify 9.29 - or are you just still in denial about the logical conclusion of this thread you started, i.e. that the Quran contradicts your view of 9.29? Anyway - I'm g...

shafique

^Cruel - but 'zit ridden mug' had me ROFLMA!

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

Actually, I think I'll let 'eh' choose the next contradiction to explain. Here's a list of some them: http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/jim_meritt/bible-contradictions.html#references We'll take is as read that 'eh' doesn't have an answer to the simple question, 'who was Paul referring to' when...

shafique

Maybe you are right speedy, but I tried to read them sometimes, and in many cases I don't really get the point of discussion! My exchanges with 'eh' are not discussions - they are really for entertainment purposes and to keep the young lad occupied looking up more references from dodgy websites ;) ...

shafique

I see that you need to ring up your school teacher again and berate her over your English lessons! What I said was that I agree that if the early Muslims had committed the acts of collective punishment that the Israelis had (as listed above), then they deserve the same condemnation that the Israelis...

shafique

I totally agree. You do not seem to understand what has been posted about 9.29 - but in the end - we agree that the Quran contradicts your interpretation of 9.29, which is the point you made in the first post here.

Have you now changed your mind?

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

Yes, I agree the passages of women who were promoted to deacons, teachers and evangelists under Paul was first pointed out to you another thread. Yes, I said there were contradictory passages in the Bible and that most Christians ignored the misogynistic passages which Kung says were later fabricat...

shafique

The question was: So - make up your mind, either the Israelis have committed acts of crimes against humanity, or they haven't. If they have, do you condemn them - or do you support them? You refuse to condemn Goldstein for what he is - a religiously motivated terrorist - so perhaps you also agree wi...

shafique

shafique

What confused me was the silence when I asked who the men Paul was addressing when he said 'your women' must stay silent in church and only learn from their husbands. Your answer that it was referring to women who chit-chat in church was perplexing - and I assumed that you had some basis for this le...

shafique

Indeed - it is strange that you won't answer the direct question: So - make up your mind, either the Israelis have committed acts of crimes against humanity, or they haven't. If they have, do you condemn them - or do you support them? You refuse to condemn Goldstein for what he is - a religiously mo...

shafique

Cool - great. So, Kung and I agree there is a contradiction in the Bible relating to whether women should speak in church, and you disagree with us. No probs - we'll gloss over the fact you still refuse to answer who is being addressed in this verse (which Kung says is a fabrication). Do you want to...

shafique

Cool, so we have agreement then. If the crimes described by Amnesty International are true, then we both condemn Israel. I was only using Israel as an example of a verifiable act of crimes against humanity which you seem to be reluctant to acknowledge and contrasted with your certainty that your Ori...

shafique

The lady doth protest too much. Interesting how the original Jerusalem Post article's title is: "Elton John banned from Egypt" and the second paragraph gives the reason for the ban: "because of anti-religious sentiments that he had purportedly expressed." But our young American f...

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