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Eh, really - you must try and read what is posted and stop your over-active imagination. ;) The link I gave you gives you the details of the crimes of Banu Nadhir that the punishment was for. It is not surprising that you don't know the background - but now there is no excuse. This is your thread an...

shafique

bump for 'eh' - I'm sure he's busy looking up references for Banu Nadhir etc, but this question came first..

shafique

I'm surprised it will take a few days to pick out the quotes to support 'eh's version of history. Perhaps this time he will surprise us all and not provide the discredited Orientalist view, but I don't hold out much hope for this. But, the whole Banu Nadhir expulsion background is given in full here...

shafique

Cool - it looks like I've overlooked your whole intention of this thread, i.e. to show that the Quran contains contradictory verses when it comes to instructions on how to deal with non-Muslims. You are saying that 9.29 etc say all non-Muslims need to be fought by Muslims. You are quite clear that t...

shafique

As the quote and historical record shows, the siege of Taif was just that - a siege. The siege was not a military success and the Muslims raised (i.e. stopped) the siege - because the encampment was well fortified and well-provisioned. The catapaults etc were used against the battlements and were pa...

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If the question is unclear, please let me know eh - but I'm struggling to make it simpler: 'who are the men being addressed by Paul when he tells them to keep their women ('your women' he says) quiet in church and to tell them to only learn from their husbands at home if they don't understand someth...

shafique

So eh, do we agree that the Israelis are guilty of the same crimes that you believe Muhammad, pbuh, inflicted on the Thaqif of Taif? And that both should be condemned as collective punishments? I guess you overlooked this question? As for whether there was wholesale destruction of Taif's orchards e...

shafique

You think that 9.29 applies to all Jews and Christians - right or wrong? You are arguing that the other Quranic verses on warfare and how to live with Jews and Christians contradict this interpretation of yours - right? (This is the 'contradiction' you have made in your first point. I agree with you...

shafique

The crimes that led to their banishment are listed in the extract - I appreciate that the long quote looks a bit daunting, but have a little patience and read it sentence, by sentence. I'll be happy to explain any difficult bits to you. As for 'crimes against humanity' - I only used this in the cont...

shafique

Actual conversion to Islam is really quite quick and easy, but the journey to get to the point where one chooses to be a Muslim is usually longer. To become a Muslim one only has to profess the 'Shahadat' - the profession of faith: "There is no God but Allah, and Muhammad is His Messenger"...

shafique

C'mon 'eh', which men did Paul mean when he said 'Your women'... should not speak in Church?

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shafique

Please try and stick to the topic - I now agree with you that the Quranic verses speaking about war contradict your interpretation of 9.29 etc. Are you now trying to argue that there are no contradictory verses to your interpretation of the verses? Why do I need to justify that your interpretation i...

shafique

The quote said systematic destruction. The Muslims were destroying the fields and only the surrender of the city prevented all of the fields from being destroyed. Yes, I did say that your Orientalist tactics relies on selective quotes of translations and ignores the fuller picture - in this case th...

shafique

Knock yourself out - as I said, let's examine the quotes you provide and hopefully you'll give the full contexts. Interesting that you have faith in these historians of the past, but choose to ignore the latter day historians' conclusions such as Kung, Kennedy et al (whom you have also selectively q...

shafique

'eh' - you appear to be confusing threads - the questioned which you are not answering is: C'mon 'eh', which men did Paul mean when he said 'Your women'... should not speak in Church? I'm patiently waiting for the answer before moving on to the next contradiction in the NT. (The question about 9.29 ...

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It looks like 'eh' has been avoiding the politics section as the question posed there remains unanswered. The question is simple - can he confirm that he condemns Baruch Goldstein as a religously based terrorist who was a sane, American born doctor and Israeli army officer who, whilst in uniform, wa...

shafique

"the lady doth protest too much, methinks" springs to mind! Why is it hard to stick to the topic? You quote from a web site and then profess an in-depth erudition of all things historical, and yet were unaware of who Gibbon was and embarrassed yourself with a self-proclaimed 2 min Google s...

shafique

The Muslim belief about the universality of 9:29 and your belief that other verses are actually universal can easily be discussed. But first, I would like you to answer your own claim. I agree the above can be discussed, but this thread is about whether there is a contradiction in the Quran - and y...

shafique

Which pending questions are in this thread that you want answered? I'd like your answers to the pending questions I asked before this thread - eg. who Paul was referring to when he said 'your women' are blonde, and whether you denounce Goldstein as a religious terrorist - to name the two main ones ...

shafique

I forgot to point out that Watt's conclusion was (in eh's quote above) And-Nadir's postponement of a reply created such an opportunity, and was therefore tantamount to a hostile act. Watt says the Nadhir's actions were a 'hostile act'. An inconvenient quote eh? I have given the full account of what ...

shafique

Are you avoiding the logical conclusion of your thread? Your interpretation of 9.29 is contradicted by other verses of the Quran. Attempted obfuscation by asking again for things I have just addressed in the last post won't hide this fact. Do you have another alleged contradiction to deal with? Chee...

shafique

So you typed out the quote from Watt saying the Banu Nadhir committed a hostile act and that Westerners may wrongly think the grounds he lists are flimsy. It appears therefore that your issue is with Watt (or rather with basic comprehension of what he wrote). As I stated earlier, the fuller account ...

shafique

Why is it hard to stick to the topic? You quote from a web site and then profess an in-depth erudition of all things historical, and yet were unaware of who Gibbon was and embarrassed yourself with a self-proclaimed 2 min Google search. Hey, you pontificate about the New Testament but were unaware ...

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I asked whether Watt's account contradicted the fuller account I quoted. You now are asking about whether the book was reviewed and why the quote you gave is shorter and less detailed than the one I gave. I'm afraid that both authors are now dead, and that the quote I gave was from a more recent boo...

shafique

So you are avoiding the logical conclusion of this thread? Whether I think the Quran contains contradictions is moot - to me it is clear it doesn't, because the verses detailing war fare etc are all complimentary - who, when, how etc all make sense. The point is that you argue that your interpretati...

shafique

I agree that if Muhammad had destroyed orchards etc as described by your orientalist friends, then this would indeed be as contemptible as the Israeli destruction of orchards today. I ask again, do you join me in condemning the crimes against humanity that are carried out by the Israelis? (or are yo...

shafique

Ah, yet another selective quote. I have no issue in condemning acts against civilians, especially the killing of civilians - eg when the Israelis block aid to civilians, this is indeed to be condemned. Perhaps they also seek to justify their actions by believe that the Muslims did this to Qaynuqa a ...

shafique

I guess you will insist that denial is just a river in Egypt! ;) But, seriously, weren't you surprised that there were more terrorist acts listed by the FBI carried out by Jewish terrorists in support of their religious views than there were Muslim terrorist acts? I was. The stats speak for themselv...

shafique

Melika said she witnessed some Muslim men justifying wife beating - how is my asking for more details not engaging in a discussion? The fact that you have weird interpretation of one Quranic verse is not denied by myself, I've just pointed out what God is actually saying - and making the emphatic po...

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The evidence that the Times Square bombing was in retaliation for illegal U.S. predator drone attacks–and not because “they hate our freedoms” or because of some silly South Park affair–is very strong. .. Mehsud said his group would avenge the killing of Baitullah Mehsud and strike back at Pakistan...

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