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'eh' claimed that the NT is internally consistent and contains no contradictions. A bold claim indeed, and one that will be intriguing to read about - I look forward to his explanations of what look to me like clear contradictions. I'll use the skeptics annotated bible as a handy list of verses from...

shafique

eh oh! - what a strange answer, quoting the Quran when asked to back up a claim that there are no contradictions in the NT.

I presume this is just an attempt at being funny rather than a demonstration of 'all mouth, no trousers'!

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

^I asked eh in another thread whether he is an only child - it could explain some of the traits we've seen. The fact that the NT contains contradictions is just another discussion that should be in the religion forum, and came up in a previous long, long thread on exactly the same topic. I explained...

shafique

Ok - I'll bite. In the reference I gave, Gibbon did not need to refer to any authors of documents other than the NT documents to show that the canonised Bible (NT) contained forged verses that were inserted by Pauline Christians. He didn't need to - as he was showing that later authors (forgers) add...

shafique

Christians don't see a passage that says women should not speak in Church as contradicting passages in the NT that say men and women are equal and Paul commissioning women as deacons and evangelists, teachers and apostles because, to Christians, the NT should be interpreted wholly. This really is f...

shafique

^ eh oh, you really shouldn't be embarrassed if you don't know what confusing correlation with causality means.

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

Ah - I love the humour - including a photo of Rauf who escaped from Pakistani custody after being allowed to go and pray alone in a mosque! Nice one! :lol: Of course Pakistan is a haven of peace and free from terrorist attacks etc - Britain is a far greater threat from terrorism, both attacks and th...

shafique

"Paul" says that women should not speak in church Ok - great, you and I agree he did say this according to the Bible. ... but he also, two chapters previously, talks about women (get this) speaking in church, I agree. This is a dictionary definition of a contradiction. ..that's in additio...

shafique

^Thanks - Kung knows what he is talking about. You've answered my first query about the translation - much appreciated. So it is clear that the NT contains a contradiction then - Paul is reported to have BOTH said women are deacons and cannot speak in church. I've maintained that Christians ignore t...

shafique

thanks to Google books, Kung addresses the verse in Corinthians on pg 12 of his book 'Women in Christianity'. He is saying (correct me if I'm wrong) that the verse and other misogynistic verses were inserted later and attributed to apostles. He also goes on to say that the role of women in the NT wa...

shafique

Another notable quote from Kung - page 15 of Women in Christianity: For today we know that the history of theology and the church, too, was predominantly written by the victors at the expense of the losers - along dogmatic or church-political lines. The losers in this kind of traditional church hist...

shafique

? How is this +not+ a contradiction? (That is what this thread is about - explaining the contradictions in the Bible. I really hope that the answer does not just boil down to 'denial'.) .... I am glad you acknowledge that the New Testament contains passages which show that women were at the forefro...

shafique

So you are fan of Alice in Wonderland and believe Britain is a greater hotbed for what you would call 'Islamic terrorism' than Pakistan!? ;) A cursory look at the stats will show whether Bradford or Peshawar has had more terrorist bombs - but then again, why let actual facts get in the way of a stor...

shafique

still waiting

shafique

Cool - just because you don't have any answers for the contradictions in the Bible does not mean the same applies to Muslims. I know it must have stung when I quoted Kung condracting your view of the Bible's historiographic pedigree: For today we know that the history of theology and the church, too...

shafique

Shafique claimed the Koran is internally consistent and contains no contradictions. Yep. Although shafique has not presented his argument, instead saying that one must look at the contradictory passages (apparently to highlight the contradictions), he remains persistent in his belief that there are...

shafique

You really must look up the difference between 'complimentary' and 'contradictory' verses. God is pretty clear about the ethics of war - and just as you seem to be denial about contradictions in the NT, you are similarly seeing things in a 'special' way about the Quran too. If you have other suppose...

shafique

Anyway - it appears that you don't have an explanation and are just in denial. Nope, the passage does not say for all women to be silent in all churches for all times. Therefore, it is not a contradiction. Your argument is with scholars such as Kung who say that this passage was not from Paul but i...

shafique

I guess one must choose who to believe - an official from a country widely regarded as a haven for Islamic terrorists or the Pakistani diplomat. Indeed - thanks for making my point exactly. One can be a sheep or one can use one's faculties. If you want to believe that Britain is a greater hotbed fo...

shafique

Now, back to my question: Interesting that when asked to condemn Goldstein's actions and confirm that he was a religously motivated terrorist who killed whilst in Army uniform, rats scurries away and reads Fox News, rather than face the hard cold stats. ... I really now wonder whether he does, afte...

shafique

God in the Koran is clear indeed. Glad we agree. It should speak volumes that you have not addressed the clear contradictions in the Koran Remember I asked you to look at the definition of 'contradictory' vs 'complimentary'. I'm really sorry I can't help you with your imagined presence of words tha...

shafique

Did you have difficulty with the question Eh?

cheers,
Shafique

shafique

Are you sure that quote isn't from Moses? :lol: Nice one! But I do happen to know what I'm talking about when I give quotations and don't tend to post extracts which contradict my arguments (eg quoting Kung who says the Bible has contradictory verses to support your opposite view) ;) So, I take it ...

shafique

^

Words of wisdom indeed.

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

. Religion now is only useful as a crutch or prop for weak or needy people, and as such should be replaced with some new humanitarian support system for those in need. Most people do not need religion to tell them what is right and wrong, and don't need or believe in the threat of horrible punishme...

shafique

Well, my rule of thumb is that if a rule is not logical, then it can't be from God and is the work of man. Not allowing women to drive is one of these illogical ones (but to be fair, Saudis don't say this is a religious law - correct me if I'm wrong - and there are now official murmurings that this ...

shafique

So, you are still confused. Hmm, let's see..the article says 'No connection to Islam' - was it the word 'connection' that confused you? The guy happens to be Muslim, yes. The Pakistanis being killed are Muslim, yes. Are you arguing that the US is targetting Muslims - or terrorists who happen to be M...

shafique

Well, I hope you can get on to it now here it is with some spaces in it: http:// www .fbi.gov/publications/terror/terrorism2002_2005.htm Let me know what your checking throws up about the Jewish Defense League bombings etc and whether they are religous terrorists or not. (Note that I'm not saying th...

shafique

^Well, I was merely assuming a line of logic. If you disagree with the logic, then that would be interesting.

My argument is that the Quran does not condone wife beating - neither in the words of this one verse or in actual practice.

cheers,
Shafique

shafique

So apart from the guys behind the bombings saying why they carried out the bombings (because of the killing of their countrymen), you want more evidence.

Did you even read the article and quotes from other newspapers etc?

Cheers,
Shafique

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