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Interesting that when asked to condemn Goldstein's actions and confirm that he was a religously motivated terrorist who killed whilst in Army uniform, rats scurries away and reads Fox News, rather than face the hard cold stats. ... I really now wonder whether he does, after all, belong to the group...

shafique

I've always maintained that the primary sources used by the Jewish Christians (for example) weren't corrupt - Gibbon was brought into the debate when I mentioned the fact that historians no longer consider the Bible as a reliable source of historical records - because of the fabrications inserted by...

shafique

So, the question goes back to, which converts do you think are more likely to carry out/attempt to carry out terror attacks - converts to Islam or converts to all other religions? still hanging The stats show that converts serving in the military in Afghanistan or Iraq are the most likely to kill c...

shafique

Umm - I mentioned Gibbon in passing when you tried to make out that the Bible was a historical document - hardly an 'obsession' with Gibbon! I didn't start this thread, but answered your question about wanting a reference to show that Gibbon challenged the view that the Bible was historically accura...

shafique

Well, actually I think what I was asking for was pretty clear. Yes. You asked for a reference from Gibbon to show why the Bible can't be trusted as a historical record. Gibbon showed that according to primary sources, Pauline Christians inserted forged verses into the Bible to support their theolog...

shafique

You are welcome.

I applaud your sentiments and agree 100%.

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

This is a very interesting case. Firstly, the three convicted numpties should be in jail - that's where they belong. On reading the news reports, I felt that at last we could feel pride in our intelligence services for foiling a major terrorist plot - and indeed in putting these numpties away, they ...

shafique

Now, back to my question: Interesting that when asked to condemn Goldstein's actions and confirm that he was a religously motivated terrorist who killed whilst in Army uniform, rats scurries away and reads Fox News, rather than face the hard cold stats. ... I really now wonder whether he does, afte...

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/newsnight/8232340.stm The rise of Israel's military rabbis Katya Adler BBC Newsnight, Israel Israel's army is changing. Once proudly secular, its combat units are now filling with those who believe Israel's wars are "God's wars". Military rabbis are be...

shafique

Ahh - i'll miss rats! So events horizon, can I call you 'eh' for short, you refuse to answer my question about Goldstein. I see, interesting. Why is that? As for your count - yes, one actual terrorist and 5 accused of plotting terrorist plots. You have provided no stats for the numbers of victims -I...

shafique

Yes. You asked for a reference from Gibbon to show why the Bible can't be trusted as a historical record. Actually, I asked for primary sources from historians/authors alive at the time the events of the New Testament were said to have taken place. I see my simple request was too difficult for you ...

shafique

eh? (I love your new name) The article opens with the factoid that Muslims attend the mosque that one of the convicted numpties went to - and that 'authorities' 'believe' it to be a recruiting ground. My post just made the point that when one looks beyond the headlines at the facts, interesting pers...

shafique

Gibbon showed through primary sources that the NT had been corrupted with false verses. Can't get clearer than that (and you don't seem to dispute this fact). Do you have a different definition of 'primary sources' than historians? You may be confusing the fact that the canonised Bible is not a prim...

shafique

eh - again with your orientalist views? The Quran's verses on warfare etc have been well discussed and your particular view of 9.29 etc is the equivalent of all those who believe the world is flat. They also persist in their beliefs despite being shown the evidence of the truth. A pretty far-out vie...

shafique

Your view is coloured by your mistaken concept of Islam - this is like having only one tool in your toolbox - a hammer. As a result, you tend to see all issues as nails. The article is full of 'maybe's and inferences - and yes, the factoid is just that - factoid. You'll probably find that a majority...

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As for your count - yes, one actual terrorist and 5 accused of plotting terrorist plots. Well, actually it looks like the number of converts to Islam 'plotting' (actually, one would-be suicide bomber had the misfortune of having his explosives not detonating properly) suicide bombings is up to six....

shafique

Now, back to my question: Interesting that when asked to condemn Goldstein's actions and confirm that he was a religously motivated terrorist who killed whilst in Army uniform, rats scurries away and reads Fox News, rather than face the hard cold stats. ... I really now wonder whether he does, afte...

shafique

Haaretz is reporting some interesting aspects to the latest announcement by the Israeli gov on the expansion of the colonies in the occupied West Bank. First it appears that the 500 odd new houses are ones that had already been approved (not that it makes it much better, or less illegal). The Econom...

shafique

Well said dee7o How much of the New Testament can you understand if you haven't read the Old Testament? Even if you did think you understood, how accurate would your opinion be on some of the biblical characters if you did not know their backgrounds? For the NT, it appears we do need to consult outs...

shafique

I agree the factoid is interesting. Perhaps you didn't understand me when I said 'confusing correlation with causality' - if so, just say so and I'll explain. I also note that you don't dispute the other observations I made in my first post. So perhaps, we agree here - which would make a change -eh?...

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I appreciate your offer to not use phrases that may confuse me. So - given we agree that the canonised Bible (New Testament/NT) contains fabricated verses not in primary sources (as shown by Gibbon and countless others since), I really can't see what more there is to say in this thread which you tit...

shafique

Wow - so the NT does not contain contradictions. Perhaps you can start a thread in the religion forum then and explain them away - starting with Paul's instructions that women should not speak in Church vs other accounts that there were women deacons. As for your other points about warfare - I refer...

shafique

I agree - leave old Dwighty alone!

I'm partial to Pinball Wizard myself, and Don't let the sun go down on me..and of course Rocket man:

It's going to be a long, long time..

shafique

Please carry on. As I said, the facts speak for themselves. The litmus test would be whether you'd jump up and down if a Muslim did a similar act. (The list is the FBI's list of terrorist acts - so feel free to let them know which ones shouldn't be on there) Is it true that the facts show that 94% o...

shafique

Excellent - you did read the article.

So, tell me again - how does the fact that the bombing was in retaliation against the killing of Pakistanis by US drones (arguably illegally) makes this retaliation about Islam?

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

:) If you look through the list you'll also find more recent attacks - by Jewish terrorists on US soil, on the FBI list. (The attacks I listed are all in the last 25 years - and there are many more from earlier years) :) Silly indeed. The stats are clear. Yes, of course we do also see outliers in th...

shafique

US kills Pakistanis, Pakistanis target US.

The fact that the training camp was in the same country that the US was bombing is hardly surprising.

No link to Islam shown. QED.

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

You're saying the Koran justifies wife-beating in certain circumstances, but you don't know of anyone who has used the Koran to justify the beating of their wife. Good point and still unanswered! Well, my answer to that has been: The Quran does not allow wife battery under any circumstances and I d...

shafique

Well, if you had said 20 years, 10 years etc I wouldn't have been able to show you were mistaken. You said 25 years! As it is, the stats are still true - 94% of terrorist attacks in the period were not carried out by Muslims, more were carried out by Jewish religious extremists. Edit - and let's not...

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Sure, you can dice up the stats in different ways. The main point was that the stats do indeed support the view in the academic study which says the threat from Muslim extremists has been exagerated. Loonwatch does indeed keep an eye out for loonies - but thus far their reporting has been spot on. I...

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