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(I've never claimed the Koran says what you're asking me to find). Secondly, because this thread is about the verses from the Koran that you have said I had taken out of context or posted partially. So you haven't said what rudeboy asked you to clarify viz: " can you tell me where in the Quran...

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So much for the lot of women in Afghanistan improving as a result of the invasion. Isn't this a case of one step forward, two steps back? I think that if the women were in charge of the oil fields and the gas pipelines, their rights would be better protected. By coincidence, I came across this in th...

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When I hear that one nation conquered another nation, I think they defeated them through military force. When I hear hoofbeats, I think horses, not zebras :wink: When you keep your eyes closed (when everyone says take a peek) and insist the elephant is like a snake, who is to blame - those who see ...

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Goldstein's terrorist acts took place outside your chosen period - so his killings won't count. Look, I'll be fair to you. You are correct - it should not be difficult to find converts to other religions who committed acts of terror. You specifically said you were unaware of Catholic converts who co...

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The Egyptians have been producing kooks with funny views for a while - eg breast feeding fatwas - always good for a laugh. It is interesting to see the Japanese elbowing in for a laugh as well though! :) I guess each community have their crosses to bear - the Christians have George W and Catholic-co...

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I think it is at least 10 times more likely, statistically speaking. Well, so far you've only said you had one person in mind. Not exactly original but I'll have to wait for you to find 149 ... Yes, I so far have one person in mind for the Catholic Convert responsible for killing innocent people an...

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Also, a 'born again' is not a convert. I see myself explaining this to you again, but if you really think Abu Musab al-Zarqawi (the founder of al-Qaeda in Iraq) should be considered in the tally (I don't), why didn't you say this from the beginning? Yes, why not - I'm happy to include all terrorist...

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[ Good question. Why don't you count how many verses are in the Koran that say to fight only in self defense and compare that total with passages that say to fight against unbelievers? Done that, bought the t-shirt. Your point is what exactly? Glad you are aware that the Quran does have other verse...

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I see that the fanboys are reverting to type - either trying to be funny or trying to justify why Israel should be above the law.

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Shafique

shafique

With all due respect, you are the one who raised this issue about converts killing innocents - I'm playing along with your challenge and have accepted all the parameters you've chosen - viz 2001 to 2009 and looking at converts (as opposed to 'born agains') only. I'm waiting for your count of terrori...

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One verse of the Bible says women should not speak in Church. Imagine how silly I would be if I argued that this is what Christianity teaches and ignored the fact there are contradictory verses in the Bible that talk about women being Deacons etc. Rats is sure his interpretation of what the Quran te...

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I have no problem admitting that the Koran contains contradictory passages. I agree that Muslims should ignore the violent teachings of Islam and the Koran and focus on the passages that do not say to wage war against unbelievers. Cool - but what we are saying is your point is moot anyways, as the ...

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I'm happy to wait for you to come up with your counts first - as you raised the issue and I merely decided to take you up on it. I understand why you want to qualify who the victims of terrorism are and why you are balking at the simple definition of civilians being killed. However, it is a statisti...

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You make interesting points benwj. My observation is that most of the killings of innocents and combatants around the world is being done for political and not religious motivations. Even those movements with quasi-religious links form the minority of those actually killing and terrorising civilians...

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Interesting developments highlighted below - Israel declaring war on civilians and seeking to avoid taking responsibility for the killing of unarmed protestors. Israel declares the shooting of American activist, Tristan Anderson to be an “act of war” Posted on: August 18, 2009 Tristan Anderson, an A...

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^Actually, I agree (and have commented before) that the Iranian thugs are taking a leaf out of the Israeli playbook when they attack unarmed protestors. And I agree with your sentiments that the Yanks should stay out of the Middle East - but fat chance of that given the oil that is there! ;) Cheers,...

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Still waiting for those numbers. And just to clarify, we need to count all those who commit crimes AFTER they converted, and divide this number by the total number of converts (not just those who converted in the year the crime took place). I don't know where you are getting the bit about crimes bef...

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The last time I looked, India was a democracy and so is Pakistan. When Pakistan was led by a dictator, it too was supported by the US - at least they are consistent about supporting oppressive regimes, whether they be democracies or dictatorships (I mean, they even set up dictatorships - like when t...

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Great - I'm glad we agree that the Israeli regime is guilty of the crimes described. You may wish to blur the issue and argue that they are just as bad (or not as bad) as other brutal oppressors in the region - which is a refreshing change from the usual fanboy mantra that they Israelis are the 'mos...

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And just to clarify, we need to count all those who commit crimes AFTER they converted I see that someone is changing their parameters *after* this was already pointed out. :lol: Nice try at trying to shift the onus on me - you are the one that came up with the criteria and you are the one that we ...

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This topic seems to come up every year... quite understandably! This is what I wrote 3 years ago in a similar thread [with some minor edits]: I have decided to limit my postings here during Ramadan as part of the spirit of Ramadan of being more spiritual and less mundane. What one is enjoined in kee...

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As I said before, I'm quite happy for you to make good your offer to take up this challenge and provide me the statistics for me to compare and contrast. I understand your wish to challenge any figures I may bring to contrast with yours, but it is funny you should do so before I provide any figures....

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I know that the ILA doesn't sell to non-Jews - this is a policy of theirs, to keep the control and ownership in Jewish hands. They will lease, but not sell - the Arabs who want use of the land may want to buy, so the question remains - do you condemn or condone this policy of not selling to non-Jews...

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Well, Shafique, those are your ´facts´. Don´t include me. I didn't think you were American or contributed to the Gallup poll. So why are you taking the findings of the American survey to heart? I don't work for Gallup either. Your ´facts´ stems from an intense hatred. Like how Auschwitz is also not...

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See my previous note above - I added some more comment in an edit, after you had posted below. I was responding to your facts posted at Sun May 16, 2010 6:34 am Ok - the facts about the Palestine/Israel issue. Sure - I gave the link to thread where these facts were listed and your explanations of wh...

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LOL - as I said, your imagination runs riot. So, I'm ashamed and a liar now - fair enough. The facts and your excuses are there to read, you still have to provide any quote where I deny the Holocaust. Do you view all Muslims as having Danny Devito physique, long beards, ranting about killing infidel...

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The last time we discussed the roman salute that Hezbollah chooses to use, I don't recall saying that I said I deny the Holocaust - do you? I do recall I also provided you with this image as well (taken in 1941): http://lerevdr.files.wordpress.com/2007/09/american-school-children-bellamy-salute.jpg ...

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^nothing to do with me. I can't see a deleted post in this thread (we normally see deleted posts as mods - so they can be recovered if deleted in error). Was it in this thread? Edit - I've had a look at the moderator logs, nothing has been deleted by any Mod today - actually nothing for at least a w...

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