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So, let me get this straight - a country whose president's middle name is Hussein has chosen an Arab-American as the most beautiful lady in country! Hey - I'm sure Tom will approve, but it will be interesting to get the views of our other prominent American poster - the one and only 'event horizon'!...

shafique

Calm down. You're the one that raised Hamas' views about the Holocaust and presented as 'fact' that they deny the Holocaust. As with my supposed Holocaust denials, it appears facts don't feature too highly in your arguments. I can't see how I'm stalking you - you're the one who accused me of 'intens...

shafique

Levy's point was that those opposing boycotts against Israel should also oppose the boycotts Israel imposes.

Otherwise it would be hypocritical.

He makes a good point - and it just adds to the widely held view that bullies don't like the taste of their own medicine.

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

You could try, but I guess you'd just be regurgitating what Fox and Memri put out. However, the article is by Hamas and this thread is about Hamas' view of the Holocaust and is categoric: But it should be made clear that neither Hamas nor the Palestinian government in Gaza denies the Nazi Holocaust....

shafique

erm, I expect facts rather than Memri translations taken out of context and 'dreams'.

I seem to have higher standards than you.

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

Who are you arguing with FD? Is Levy wrong to point out that Israel's opposition to boycotts against it is hypocritical? Or are you saying that those who call for the boycotts should be as stringent as Israel is with Gaza? I'm sure some guys here will agree with you if you take this logical line of ...

shafique

The 2000 quote is the most damning as it clearly shows a denial of the Holocaust: This conference bears a clear Zionist goal, aimed at forging history by hiding the truth about the so-called Holocaust, which is an alleged and invented story with no basis. . . . The invention of these grand illusions...

shafique

Hey, so we both agree that the author is wrong for saying that Hamas accepts the historical reality of the holocaust when we have official statements from Hamas in fact denying that the holocaust happened. You missed the fact that the 'author' is a Hamas spokesman. The article, was written by Hamas...

shafique

Still not clear who you are arguing against, FD. You seem to be rambling now.

But hey, if it makes you feel better that each of our posts is contributing to Israel - there are worse things to be happy about!

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose

Still flag waiving and throwing out slurs!

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

So, here's an interesting development - the new Miss USA is apparently a Hezbollah supporting Arab lady who has a different take on what constitutes modesty ;) : http://www.loonwatch.com/2010/05/miss-usa-rima-fakih-too-sexy-for-debbie-schlussel-and-other-islamophobes/ (Yes, not a European and nothin...

shafique

I've also read the Guardian post - and I'm not surprised you agree with it and 'obviously' think it applies to Hamas. The quote above stands in contrast with the first article by Hamas' minister and also the article on their website from February this year. As for the Prez of Iran - it's a bit hard ...

shafique

Shock news - Government evicts illegal squatters from Government land! I guess had they occupied part of Israel and then evicted villagers from their lands there, that would not be such a big deal as this. The residents do have a point though - imagine Hamas' shame at doing what Israel is criticised...

shafique

As for his stance on the Holocaust - that's for him to answer. I take him at his word that he's not anti-Semitic He is a known holocaust denier. I know, you donot consider holocaust denial as anti-semitic, I do. Yes, I know you've redefined anti-semitic to include those who only oppose Zionism and ...

shafique

Here's a pic of the UK chapter of the organisation:

Do you consider these guys anti-semites FD?

shafique

Am I having a fit? - sorry you're mistaking my chuckling.

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

They are indeed religious Jews and have a strict interpretation of the Bible. They expect the Messiah to come and set up Israel (so pretty much agree with the US Christians who similarly think the Messiah will come and fight in Israel etc). However, my question was quite simple - do you consider the...

shafique

^lol

Which begs the question - did she give the usual answer 'I'll work for world peace' etc? (or am I thinking of Miss World..?? )

shafique

Cool, thanks for clarifying your beliefs.

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

Yes, I consider NK anti-semitic. Notice they are not considered part of the jewish community anymore, mainly because of this. I thought it would be easy enough to verify this 'fact' - that Neturei Karta, anti-Zionist Jews, are 'not considered part of the jewish community anymore' - because they are...

shafique

Ok - I'm always up for a challenge. Let me go into Sherlock Holmes mode and see whether I can decrypt the post above. If anyone else can help me on my quest to discover who says these Orthodox Jews are no longer Jews, I'd appreciate the help. Edit - I didn't know that NK denied the holocaust.. :shoc...

shafique

Ok, so wiki gives me this tit-bit of information concerning NK and the Holocaust: In December 2006, members of Neturei Karta, including Yisroel Dovid Weiss, attended the International Conference to Review the Global Vision of the Holocaust, a controversial conference being held in Tehran, Iran that ...

shafique

[quote="Flying Dutchman''] Now now, donot change my words, I said they are not considered part of the jewish community anymore (thats what cherem means: the strongest form of ex-communicating). So, you would have to check whether they are cheremed! Which they are. [/quote] Ok, thanks - this hel...

shafique

Ok, that wasn't too painful. The NK participants who went to the Iranian conference on the Holocaust were indeed subject to a Cherem. They are still Jews, but not allowed to mix with other Jews, attend synagogue etc. A Ynet article of the time details the outrage the participation caused and why the...

shafique

But what Weiss said at the conference is quite clear (and moving): Now maybe I can say that at the discussion of the holocaust, I may be the representative, the voice of the people who died in the holocaust because my grandparents died there. They were killed in Auschwitz. My parents were from Hunga...

shafique

Ok, I found the quote where Hirsh said Zionism caused the Holocaust. He says this is also something Satmar Rebbe said. Actually, let me quote him: Yisrael Hirsch of Neturei Karta and a resident of the ultra-Orthodox neighborhood of Mea Shearim in Jerusalem told Ynet that "the Zionists cynically...

shafique

Ok, the subject is proving more interesting than I imagine. The 'Zionists caused the Holocaust' topic is given from the 'pro' lobby here and they summarise their views as: Zionist responsibility for the Holocaust is threefold. 1. The Holocaust was a punishment for disrespecting The Three Oaths (see ...

shafique

I mean, this thread is titled "Hamas' view of the Holocaust". Apparently you believe that all Hamas members hold exactly the same views. err-yes, see previous comment. Perhaps you don't understand the implications when you try and claim that a collective group of people believe in somethi...

shafique

Dude really, why are you so obsessed with my opinions? I guess you are the one with opinions that I don't immediately understand and require clarifications of (I could have just made assumptions and called you names etc, but I'd rather find out what's behind words written and ensure I've not misund...

shafique

:) hervey baby - you really must stop imagining things!! I always laughed at your theories and certainly have never complained to Andy about your funny views, even the more extreme nazi ones. You admit freely to telling lies about me, and you imagine that internet hoaxes are real or that I create al...

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