I agree with you Bora - if there is no proof or reasonable grounds for a prosecution of a crime, then it would be against justice for a prosecution for the crime to begin. However, I didn't see anything in the article that led me to believe that the prosecutors weren't following procedures. I'll hap...
Bora, let me play devil's advocate for one minute. What if it transpires that the lady had agreed to have a 6 way party, and later changed her mind when, say the boyfriend announced he was going to marry a virgin, and this was her way of punishing him? I have absolutely no evidence that this was the...
Snippets are snippets, the complete and comprehensive and clear quote comes from Hamas. 'nuff said Edit, actually - it is worth showing the relevant CLEAR and COMPREHENSIVE statement again: But it should be made clear that neither Hamas nor the Palestinian government in Gaza denies the Nazi Holocaus...
You're comparing the militant indoctrination of children to a holiday far removed from what you're claiming that people are supposedly celebrating? You're the one taking Memri's word as gospel and analysing the words of song sung by a kid calling in to a tv show. The kids collecting money for Guy F...
Is the young lad protesting that he's not an extremist? I guess he's taking a leaf out of Al Qaeda's book and trying to avoid the facts (yet again). Berrin - do you know anyone else who condones the kidnapping of virgins, and the slaughters of their families - i.e. like the Israelites did in the Bib...
I consider being hanged, drawn and being quartered to be torture - but I guess you weren't taught about this gruesome torture in school. It was done to inflict pain and done to entertain the public who watched and cheered. Did you not see Braveheart? Do you remember the bit 'Freeeeedom' at the end? ...
I suspect you have other plans: ... Just a hunch. Yes, I've noticed how your 'suspicions' and 'hunches' rely on beliefs that don't quite match reality. In this case picking up on a smiley to justify a cherished belief.. there's some fire behind this smoke, isn't there FD? ;) As for the Alamo - yes,...
Thanks for quoting me saying I unreservedly condemn war crimes. Compare and contrast that with your stance on the Israelites' killing of babies and enslavement of 32,000 unmarried women. I unreservedly condmemn this war crime (nothing hollow about this statement). If you can match my unreserved cond...
Ok, whilst we wait for eh's response about the LRA terrorists, here's a couple of references to a bombing of mosque in eh's home country (USA): http://www.loonwatch.com/2010/05/terror-double-standard/ http://wokv.com/localnews/2010/05/possible-hate-crime-investigat.html Both make the point I made in...
A great little video about Europe, and what the map could look like if countries could move: http://www.economist.com/blogs/theworldin2010/2010/05/map It's a visual representation of this article: http://www.economist.com/world/europe/displaystory.cfm?story_id=16003661 Interesting points, I thought....
Oh, I used to work quite close to this pub in the City of London (it's close to the Tower of London) - the name is 'Hung, Drawn and Quartered', and this sign with Pepys quote is still there:
Hey, Berrin could very well be a raving Nazi anti-Semite - I don't know the guy, he could be Hitler's grandchild for all I know - I'm just saying that his attempt of humour wasn't conclusive proof of your particular view of him. BTW - have you heard of Pam Geller? Apparently she argues that the Holo...
Hey, I know most Christians rightly ignore the x-rated parts of the Bible (in fact, one study says that up to 70% of the Bible is effectively self-censored, in that it is not read in Church and Bible readings). Muslims know exactly how this works - we treat Hadith in exactly the same way. There is a...
I understand this belief of yours herve - however this thread showed that this belief that the main threat in the EU comes from Muslim terrorists is not supported by actual evidence. The fact that the best you could do was dig up a 7 year old article about a Spanish judge's views speaks volumes. Fac...
Still quoting from Islamphobic websites I see. The problem is herve, that the main argument the Islamphobes have on this point is a misinterpretation about a verse about divorce. The Islamic evidence from Quran, hadith and even secular scientific evidence shows that Islam does not condone s.ex outsi...
It's simply a matter of cause and effect. Given that Islamic clerics point out that honour killings have nothing to do with Islam, shouldn't this fact carry some weight in the argument that Islam is the cause of honour killings when Muslims carry it out, but not Islam when non-Muslims carry them out...
I think the one with screwed up perceptions are the people who choose to make wild statistics such as claiming that .. More in depth studies show for example that 70% of Moroccans living in Amsterdam are criminals. http://www.dubaiforums.com/dubai-politics-talk/decoy-jews-dutch-land-t42381-15.html#p...
Islam does not condone Murder. Plain and simple. I totally agree with you that honour killings are nothing more than murder, and God is clear what the punishment for murder is. Absolutely no justification for honour killings in any religion. It is a cultural phenomenon that is wrapped up in religion...
Bora, even if you look at UK (or Canada or US), honour killings is not exclusively a Muslim phenomenon. I totally agree it is a problem within the Muslim community, as it is a problem within Hindu and Sikh community - one honour killing is one too many. I totally agree that it is a crime which we sh...
FD - I posted examples of Dutch Muslims to counter your post saying that Muslims are not Europeans. This showed you were wrong (as you were wrong when you made up the 70% statistic). Are the ethinically white Dutch Muslims carrying out honour killings? If not, then my case is made - it is a crime by...
The statistics do indeed show that the majority of the 20,000 converting each year in the USA are women. Your theory as to why this is the case has to be proven though. I personally know of women who converted first, and then married Muslim men who they did not know before their conversion. I also k...
Now using your logic, as these people came from the same stock since the 1850’s, one would expect that culture, tradition and the beliefs of the Diaspora would evolve at the same rate, but it hasn’t. Well, the flaw in your argument stems from this assumption that the evolution of beliefs will take ...