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If you read Chomsky's 'Hegemony or Survival', he points out the facts of the Kosovo bombings that are widely reported, but the implications hardly register. The common rememberance of the Nato bombings is that Nato bombed as a result of mass killings of Muslims by the Serbs. However, the actual sequ...

shafique

My view is that there is a world of difference between slaves as a result of a war vs going to war for slaves. oh! what about buying slaves? didn't Mohammad and his followers trade in slavery? it's considered ok to you? didn't he have s.ex with slaves, without marrying them? I know of buying slaves...

shafique

I know of buying slaves to set them free, but am not aware of Muhammad, pbuh, trading slaves. I may have missed references to this - but if you can point me to some sources (I think Bernard Lewis may make this point - but I'm interested in hearing your source). And no, s.ex slaves are not allowed. ...

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..apparently Tabari also wrote about this. any feedback? Thanks - I'll look up the references in the biographies of the Prophet that I have and compare. Tabari I have heard of, but not Jawziya (but then again, my sources are from tertiary English books which refer to these older accounts). My quick...

shafique

Wikipedia has a good entry for Islam and Slavery: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_and_slavery I think it sums up both views quite well - and does state that Muhammad, pbuh, bought and sold slaves (reference is to Bernard Lewis on this point, and I have a number of his books and can look this up)....

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Shafique, I'm so surprised that you don't know nearly enough of this slavery issue and Mohammad, I'm shocked actually. :-) Always good to improve one's knowledge. so once you confirmed that al-Tobari states that Mohammad treated some of his slaves badly, what excuse for him do you think we should d...

shafique

freza wrote:have I ever said the Bible is perfect? nope.

See - we are in agreement after all!

Which parts of the Bible are imperfect and how can we tell? Is there room for disagreement on this point - and why were the imperfect parts allowed in?

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

Hadhrat Ali wasn't shia according to sunnis - he was the leader of all the Muslims and the 4th rightly guided Khalifa. Shia is just short for the words 'the party of Ali' and refers to those who believed Ali should have been the first successor and not the 4th. Sunnis believe that Ali was a courageo...

shafique

There were more ethnic Albanians murdered by the Serbian forces. The UN Security Council estimated more than 10,000 Albanians executed. Also needs to be mentioned,there are still thousands of ethnic Albanians missing from the war and still have not been found. Even more killings would have resulted...

shafique

Applepie - sorry, but you have been mislead. I suggest you re-read your Arabic text books and show the verse in question to any Arabic speaker to confirm the translation. 'Ma Qatalu-hu Yaqinan' means literally 'They did not kill him for certain'. Ma is a common negation in Arabic - and this is with ...

shafique

No, I'm not saying that the Kosovan Muslims were the instigators - there was a violence and a struggle for independence. From a Serb perspective, I guess they would say the Muslims were the instigators. The fact is that before the bombings, the KLA had done more of the killing. It is also the observ...

shafique

Apple Pie - well done, you have uncovered a previously unknown fact - that the Quran declares Jesus to be God.

When you have convinced one Muslim or any Arabic speaker of this fact, please report back.

Guys - there are some debates that aren't worth having!

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

Apple Pie - again you have done outstanding work here.

Please let us know when you have convinced one Muslim or one Arabic Speaker of this new truth.

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

I hope everyone realises that Apple Pie is arguing that the Quran is right and therefore that all people should believe the Quran when it says: “Today I have perfected your religion for you, and I have completed My favour to you, and I have chosen for you Islam as your religion.” (5:3) I initially t...

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Apple Pie - so you are saying that the Quran is like the Bible - you agree with some of the verses and reject the others. Ok - I thought you were saying that the whole of the Quran was true. The Quran does not claim to be like the Bible, you are right. The Bible does not claim that it is the word of...

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I thought being the word of God constitutes it being divinely inspired? :roll: Too bad the Koran never makes this simple claim. :wink: Hmm Will they not then ponder on the Quran? If it had been from other than God they would have found therein much contradiction and incongruity. (al-Nisa’, 4.82) If...

shafique

So, now you agree that Allah wrote the Quran. Excellent.

When did you become a Muslim - was it since the last post in the other thread?

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

Apple Pie, I thought you might be a doubting Thomas... how about this verse of the Quran: 10.37 And this is not the attribute of this Quran, that any one might fabricate it without being sent down by Allah, Yes it is a confirmation of the former Books and is the detail explanation of what is written...

shafique

So you say that satan can predict the future and fulfil prophecies.

Now you have confused me - for the Bible says only God can make true prophecies. So that means you can't be a Christian.. hmmm..

Are you a Hindu who believes in Jesus?

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

Apple Pie are you a Scientologist?

shafique

Apple Pie - are you really sure you're not a Muslim who has come here just to make Christians look foolish? This is not a good way of debating - I know that you may wish to make Christians look like fools by misquoting basic Arabic verses, but most Christians who take the time to study Islam choose ...

shafique

Apple Pie wrote:
shafique wrote:Apple Pie are you a Scientologist?

Christian.

Which of the versions of the Bible do you believe in? Eg are you a Coptic Christian, or Ethiopian Christian?

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

Apple Pie - as I said, pretending to be a Christian and deliberately appearing to be silly won't impress many people.

As you say though, we should wait for someone who will play your game.

Good luck.

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

Apple Pie - I for one believe you that we should follow the Quran as it is the truth.

Thanks for bringing this to everyone's attention.

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

Apple Pie - you are arguing that the Quran is true - excellent. We should indeed follow the Quran's teachings. (I think it is a strange way to go about extolling the virtues of the Quran and Islam, but hey - if that is how you want to attract people to Islam - who am I to argue?) Cheers, Shafique

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Firstly, let me offer a late welcome to Apple Pie. I would also like to commend him for his posts and say that I agree with his messages. Apple Pie is arguing that the Quran should be studied and that its message is true and we should believe in it. He is using some subtle reverse psychological tech...

shafique

So, Shafique, you are saying that the Serbian Militia did NO massacres whatsoever and the NATO bombings occured for the heck of it? You must be kiddin me... No - I'm just pointing out the sequence of events. Before bombings, Serbs had killed less Kosovans than Kosovans had killed Serbs. Bombings to...

shafique

Applepie - your reverse psychology posts are excellent! Well done.

It is a very good way to get people to study the Quran and understand what it is saying. May Allah bless you in your efforts to bring people to Islam.

Wasalaam,
Shafique

shafique

You make a good point Apple Pie - people should read the Quran and see what it says about who created the universe.

May Allah bless you in your efforts to bring people to Islam.

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

As you can witness for yourself, "allah" never once states that he created the universe.....thus, he cannot possibly be the true creator God of the Universe. This is an inspired tactic Apple Pie - it will encourage people to read the Quran and look into this issue. May Allah bless you in ...

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