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I'm with Chocs on this one - in that you can't prove God exists scientifically. As a fundamental article of faith I believe that God exists outside of this universe, and therefore outside of science's ability to prove the existence or not (as anything outside the universe is just 'undefined' accordi...

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Yes, same concept applies in Islam - saving human life is paramount. Example is given in the verse forbidding pork, c5v3: You are forbidden (to eat) the dead and blood and the flesh of swine and that on which any name has been invoked other than Allah at the time of slaughtering and that which dies ...

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Isn't there a Hadith or verse in the Quran about those that were forced to denounce their religion and God or they would be tortured. I believe that was also allowed too right? There is some controversy over the principle of lying on matters of faith when one's life is in danger (Taqiyya) - with Sh...

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Thanks, does this concept that you are allowed to sin iot survive also have a name in Islam? Taqiyya only talks about concealing ones faith. Also this quote got my attention when reading through the description of Taqiyya: Sunnis believe that God decides when someone is going to die. Therefore, the...

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ebonics - well written. The only small thing I would disagree with is that the problem is a feature of all Muslim sects. The fact we are in the situation is actually a proof of the authenticity of Muhammad, pbuh (for me at least) - as there are numerous hadith talking about the latter days and the s...

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ebonics - well written. The only small thing I would disagree with is that the problem is a feature of all Muslim sects. The fact we are in the situation is actually a proof of the authenticity of Muhammad, pbuh (for me at least) - as there are numerous hadith talking about the latter days and the s...

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ebonics wrote:i believe its all muslim sects, but not all muslims....

Fair enough that is your belief, but I don't believe that.

Cheers,
Shafique

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Donot all religions teach that you should constantly question things and always keep on looking for the truth? That´s what we should do and use our own brains. Unfortunately, many religions develop to the stage where they do not encourage questioning, but require 'faith' in scholars/priests etc. Th...

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thanks freza - we can agree to disagree. All true prophets had their opponents, and all prophets bringing a new message had opponents who used their scriptures to denounce them. This fact was going to be one of my Biblical criteria for a true prophet. However, we have not really had occasion to exam...

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instead of making a topic like sunni vs shia , and puting fingers on each other, someone should make a topic " sunni and shias " and find comon grounds for each other instead of differences good idea. I wonder what shafique thinks of this concept... I agree with the concept. In my first p...

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The following extract is what I believe I should be doing - it expounds what Islam teaches us on the subject of Humility - I am sure that there are echoes of what was taught by previous prophets in the teachings, so these teachings are, in my opinion, universal: Never unduly assert yourself with pri...

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Self reflection is part of Islam - we should do it continuously, and yes this struck a cord with me when I read it again recently. It was actually quoted in sermon last Friday. Given that the message is pretty universal, I thought I'd post it here. And it is timely advice that we can learn from each...

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calling people the filthiest people to walk the earth is no prophet-like quality... would you not agree? Unless it happens to be true :) Look, all prophets have been accused of un-prophetlike behaviour. Jesus, for example, has been accused of cursing a fig tree for not having fruit, despite it not ...

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and I don't think people should fear the Lord. agreed, i hate that term.... I thought it was a term used in all religions - for example the Bible in the NT has these verses: Luke 12:4-5 "I tell you, my friends, do not be afraid of those who kill the body and after that can do no more. But I wi...

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Very well said packsaddle - I totally agree. Another way I view it is to view God as a parent ('Our Father..') and as a caring, loving father His love is not diminished by our respect and fear of Him. However, your symbiotic explanation captures this essence very well. One of the first attributes of...

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and are they filthier than the pigs and monkeys? 'Like apes and swine' is a description in the Quran. But for the really good stuff you need to look at the Bible - the OT has references to people eating excrement and drinking urine, and the NT has Paul calling Jews dogs. Jesus only calls people sna...

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when I said that I don't think that the Lord should be feared it was - my personal thoughts on this subject. But you always need to bring up the Bible, man :roll: When are you going to bring up the Torah? You need to give the Bible a rest already. Anyway, no need to point out what is in the Bible, ...

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I was a little surprised to uncover that there are number of verses in the New Testament which refer to slavery and that slaves should be obedient to their masters. Up to a few days ago, I was unaware that this was the case. I'd be interested in how these are interpreted - for they all appear to be ...

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Shafique, you didn't cause me offense! It's hard for me to get offended. I just find some of the things you say quite annoying sometimes. Good to check - I can be annoying, I know. about Ephesians 6:5-9 if you read all the lines, it instructs slaves to be obedient to their masters and then the mast...

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Well said nismo - I'm sunni, but I don't agree with all that Habib has written. It is sometimes very difficult to extricate the political motives from the teachings of religions. Divisions within religions is not limited to Islam or Christianity - all religions have their violent factional fighting,...

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freza - if it was only Ephesians that talked about slavery (in the NT), your explanation may make some sense. However, please look at the other verses I quoted in the other thread and let me know your thoughts. The other verses are clearly telling servants and slaves to obey the masters. To me, the ...

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I thought I'd check to see what Jesus is reported to have said about slavery in the Bible as well and found this write up: In the Gospels, slavery was frequently mentioned. Our Lord told a number of parables in which slaves and their masters were key characters. Never did He condemn slavery as evil ...

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freza wrote:Jesus didn't condemn slavery

'nuff said

Cheers,
Shafique

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From what I have read the Mohammad traded slaves, albeit introduced some measures to to improve their life's. Isn't there also mention of concubinage for female booty? Not sure about trading slaves - but happy to look into it. The only way for people to become slaves according to the Quran was as a...

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freza, I'd be interested in hearing your view on "In what way are your arguments/explanations for slaves/slavery/servitude not valid for the Quran as well as the Bible?" I mean, if I used the same arguments to explain the Quranic verses which talk about slaves, freeing them, treating them ...

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It was this quote below from the article that led me to ask whether the verses meant Christians should obey the law/those in power and ask whether this extended to employers. The author seems to say it does: Masters are construed to exercise legitimate authority over slaves, and thus slaves are obli...

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Interesting discussion. Yes, I do realise slavery has different forms - the Quran tends not to use the Arabic word for slave ('abd') but the more prosaic 'what the right hand possesses'. I am normally making this point (usually vis-a-vis prisoners of war), so it is refreshing to have someone trying ...

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yes I knew you quoted from bible.org because I looked it up :-) Re: Romans 13:1-7 Before jumping into conclusion and taking things out of context, you should have figured out who Paul was writing this letter to and most importantly why? (hint: to save their hides). Note, I didn't look up Romans 13 ...

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I have to admit, I'm not familiar with the details of the reformation etc - another piece of history I need to read up on.

Cheers,
Shafique

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