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ebonics, it appears to me that you have not opened up the link I gave you to the entry for nkH. Did you have a look at it? It explains the meaning in classical Arabic of the word and all its forms, and gives many examples. I think I now understand your error and misunderstanding. 'ankihoo' and the o...

shafique

Silly me - rather than spending time going to Lexicons and doing the research from first principles, I should have been more diligent with my Google search. This web page tackles the ebonics accusation head on, and gives some interesting links at the end of the article: http://www.yourmediatube.com/...

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Pffft...That´s it? Hardy any news value. He uses only already used images and quotes from the Quran. I disagree with Shafique though, I do think this film will have an influence on people´s ideas about Islam, mainly bcs of the publicity it gets and it´s very very graphic. Since no violence has been...

shafique

freza - your confusion will be ended if you go over to the other thread which has details of which Biblical prophecies Muhammad, pbuh, fulfils. In brief though - the Bible has God promising to make the progeny of Ishmael into a great nation. This is a promise to non-Jews. Deut 18 talks about a proph...

shafique

Shafique, please be focused enough to answer the specific issues I raised about the prophets. This thread is about whether Muhammad, pbuh, meets the Biblical criteria for prophethood. He does. I repeat, I do not believe that prophets committed sins and therefore do not believe they were punished. M...

shafique

ebonics - thank you for bringing this issue to my attention. I have now seen that the allegation is baseless and have posted links to other sites showing the meanings of the word in question. Islam does not view coitus as shameful like many Christian churches do, so perhaps there is the source of yo...

shafique

ebonics - you have made your points well, but I am not convinced.

An arabic dictionary contradicts your statements, and unless you can produce some verifiable evidence, there is nothing more to add.

Can we focus on freza's answers to my questions now?

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

ebonics, according the dictionary/lexicon I quoted, you were lying. I have not seen any evidence to make me change my mind. The lexicon says that nkH can be used to indicate 's.e.x' in certain usages, but it's main meaning is 'marriage'. Lane is a dictionary of Classical Arabic and therefore explain...

shafique

we are interested in letting you know that Islaam will dominate all of Europe, including your hometown, and the Jizyah will be established upon your Country, leaving all of the disbelievers in humiliation until they come to Islaam. a muslim admitting that jizya isnt a peaceful tax when you dont joi...

shafique

ebonics wrote:its the muslim's words not mine.....

either you're innacurate or he is.. ill leave that to personal interpretation.

Paying taxes is humiliating is it? Ok, fair enough - that's why you are in Dubai I guess.

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

Your examples are the exceptions. Please quote from a dictionary, otherwise you are still lying.

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

But I don't go out of my way to criticize Islam though, I actually defend "established religions" as whole (because they share the one belief in one God, which I see as positive no matter what.) I do think that in the end what really matters is a belief in something good, something that m...

shafique

ebonics, just show us the dictionary entry for Nikah. That will end the discussion. I have shown one respected dictionary and this contradicts you. From the Arabic forum: http://www.rudood.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=318 and The word "Nikaah" (Nikaa7) is the noun for...

shafique

Thanks for admitting you can't come up with a dictionary which backs up your claim and contradicts the dictionary I quoted.

case closed.

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

ebonics - the article is in Arabic, so no I didn't understand it. What does it say? It seems to me that we have come to an impasse. You say that Nikah is a dirty word, and all I can reply with is the dictionary entry from nikah and the knowledge that all Muslims call the marriage ceremony 'nikah'. T...

shafique

spoonman - according to Lane, if Nikah is applied to a man and a woman, it means 'marry'. If it is applied to man and his wife - then it means 'sleep with'. Similarly, I guess, if applied to man and inanimate/inhuman object - eg. he married a goat, it means beastiality? Primary meaning is 'marry' (a...

shafique

ebonics - Nikah in some contexts means s.e.x. Lane makes this clear. However, in the context used in the Quran it has the meaning marriage - and Lane lists this as its primary meaning. In the contexts where it does not mean marriage, but s.e.x, it takes on this meaning only because 'marriage' would ...

shafique

Habib, Thanks - this makes sense. It also applies in English too. To say 'marital relations' is a softer, more polite way of saying 'have s.e.x' - and in for example saying 'he made love to his hand' or 'he is married to his hand' will be understood in English as well as Arabic . Cheers, Shafique

shafique

ebonics - Habib has addressed your question in the Arabic Speakers forum.

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

ebonics - you may want to go back re-read what I wrote. Lane says Nikah has a primary meaning which is 'marry and have marital relations'. In a context where marriage does not make sense or is impossible, then it is understood as the secondary meaning which is 'have marital relations'. The examples ...

shafique

Flying Dutchman, Your quotes look remarkably similar to what was written on an anti-Islam website: http://www.islamreview.com/articles/nikah.shtml For me the crux of the matter is what the dictionary says the meaning of Nikah is. That said, I have no problem in accepting that Nikah is understood to ...

shafique

One other point, also it is not clear from ebonics points whether the vulgar swear words are applicable in classical Arabic or not, or are just in the dialects. I would dispute the line of argument that a latter day swear word derived from a root word in Arabic means that the root word is coarse and...

shafique

Flying Dutchman, I'd just like to see the quotes in full and not just in extracts on a website that is anti-Islamic in tone. The dictionary of Lane documents what classical arabic words means and is neutral on this issue (it can't be considered pro or anti-Islam). As I said, the original accusation ...

shafique

shafique, i did aknowledge that the quran in this instance, means marriage, i only questioned the wisdom in using that word over another "zawag" which i think - is warrented.. but of course we can agree to disagree... but im still not happy with you accusing me of lying, when i havent. Ok...

shafique

ebonics - I think we can draw a line under this with this post. I came across a commentary on the verse in question (4.3) and an explanation of the word: Fainkihoo: then marry/ then have legal s.ex Note: Fa means then or therefore or so. INKIHOO is derived from the root N-K-Ha and it means the havin...

shafique

freza, As I stated before, you are free to interpret the Bible to reject Muhammad, pbuh, as you have done above. For me the verses are clearly in favour of Muhammad, pbuh, for you they are not. I think if roles were reversed and I was a Jew and quoting Rabbis about why Jesus does not fulfil the Bibl...

shafique

I do agree prophets make mistakes, but these aren't sins. The Quran clears up the accusations against prophets found in the Bible. accusations? when a prophet says "I have sinned" what does this tell you? They acknowledged their wrong doings. God acknowledged them too. Are you implying th...

shafique

So, let us agree to disagree. sawy.:? I don't agree to just disagree in this case because then that means you won't address the issue, questions and contradictions that have been brought up and which I think do deserve some pondering... No, I'm happy to address any issues you want - I'm just not su...

shafique

freza, You ask why should anyone believe the Quran's version of events over the Bible. It comes down to choice. I choose to believe the Quran because it is more internally consistent and it is compatible with my logic - that God will choose the best of people at the time to be His prophets, and they...

shafique

yup masturbation is a sin according to Islamic scholars which one assumes they base on the Quran. And that thing about masturbation being OK when it prevents adultery also left me-> :scratch: btw, I came upon this phrase of Fayyad ibn Najih: When the male organ of a man stands erect, two thirds of ...

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