Oh wise one Shafique - why don't you tell those Bible scholars and archaeologists how to classify with writings and books that can not be verified - for lack of evidence - you know very small things like this. You surely must have the ONE and ONLY and Integral answer! Nope, I'm not the one who clai...
I note that you are still refusing to give us the criteria by which to judge Muhammad, pbuh, and show where in the Bible the criteria come from. I'll however put this down to selective reading, and indulge your question. However, this is an interesting observation because it seems that after Khadeej...
double post Edit, let me just remind everyone why this thread was set up For example: Muslims say that Mohammad was an (the) exemplary prophet. I say, he didn't even meet the basic criteria for what makes a true prophet when prophets before him met challenges and requirements of attestation but he d...
about the criteria, I'll get to that. First let me get the basics out of the way: Not really. He married divorced and widowed women, and was married Aisha when she was a young girl, but the marriage was not consummated until her maturity. Obvious question which you did not address. WHY? Why marry s...
shafique, explain "whatever their right hand posses" or "wa ma malakat aymanohom" It means what it says - those whom you have control over - it can refer to slaves or prisoners of war. The Quran says it is legal for Muslim men to marry these women - but they cannot be forced int...
personally, IF you believe that the quran is the literal word of god, do you believe that god would say such a thing? I do believe - and others are free to believe in what they wish. logic says no .... shafique says yes .... i chose logic. :) How is your 'disecting' of the Quran coming along? Cheer...
my disecting of the quran is yielding that aisha, admitted on several occasions, that the quran's been re-worded... it took me hard streneous research to find out such information, bounded by the censorship of etisalat.. when i air it out here, you'll do what you did with the hadith that sparked my...
Don't be silly Shafique, I am obviously not asking why did he get married, I am asking why with so many women? For charity? To show there is no stigma in marrying divorcees and widows. Some marriages - such as with Safiyyah, from a Jewish tribe, were political. However they were all marriages - whe...
So instead of just SAYING that one should not stigmatize widows and divorcees Mohammad marries many of them...to set an example. Yes. You previously said that he didn't have any social or political aspirations, I stated that I think he did and marrying a rich widow (Khadeejah) was his first such as...
your replies are jaw-dropping unfreakinbelievably disturbing... I love you too. :) We've established (well you've only admitted this half-way) the common sense things: Mohammad had political motivations, sure. Not before he was a prophet, and even then some years after he was called to the propheth...
I listed 3 criteria in a previous post: 1. Declare yourself a prophet of God. 2. Make prophecies in the name of God. 3. Prophecies come true. According to my reading of the Bible, only true prophets of God can fulfil these 3 criteria together. Muhammad, pbuh, fulfils these. Cheers, Shafique
I haven't differed any question. I wanted to start off by seeing the true nature of Mohammad. Which as been established. You're the one that came up with this topic, remember? A flawed prophet - entirely normal. An immoral and hypocritical one - God wouldn't have chosen him or God would not have le...
Thanks ebonics. As I said in my first post, this thread is about whether Muhammad, pbuh, meets the criteria of prophethood contained in the Bible. The answer is yes. If you (or freza) disagree, please post the relevant criteria from the Bible and show why Muhammad, pbuh, does not meet these. I under...
ill correct you again, the answer is yes to you, and no to me and freza...... refer to the blind by faith comment. I thought that you didn't believe in following the Bible (and in any case the Coptic Bible has more books than the one freza uses). It is quite instructive though that neither you nor ...
you're correct in me following no bible, you're compltely incorrect in assuming that muhammad has prophet like qualities - he's far from it, as i already said in the start of the thread, regardless of who says what.... because yet again, common sense prevails. So, whilst Muhammad, pbuh, meets Bibli...
freza - you fail to address the simple fact that according to the Bible only true prophets who make prophecies in the name of God will have their prophecies fulfilled. I am not asking for a comparison with other prophets, but criteria from the Bible stating how to recognise a prophet. I direct you t...
FD - I totally agree with you last comment about death threats coming from people who are not totally self confident. Remember though that these mobs get disproportionately more coverage. I refer you to the press statement I posted recently which addressed the cartoons. Also recently the Deobandi sc...
However, this thread was started when a statement said he failed the basic criteria of prophethood. I know, couldn´t help myslef to give my two cents... No probs - we haven't talked about the basic criteria from the Bible in the thread so far, so why not look at other questions? :) spoonman - I've ...
I don't understand where rental income comes from if you are buying to live, as per the title of the thread? All I know is that my current rent is well below what it would cost to borrow to buy the place I live in (we are just coming up to the end of 2nd year in the property), so it doesn't make sen...
Yes.... I agree that due to rising costs, the personal financial aspects will determine that renting is less expensive. However, on the business comparison, and only based on affordability that owning is the best option. Provided that your debt ratio does not exceed your return on investment. (ROI)...
I am not a Christian or Mulsim (obviously) (I am one freza doesn´t like), but I do identify much more with the teaching of Jesus. He was non-violent, lived by his own code, never denied himself and even died for his convictions. Didn´t Mohammed agree during the Hudaibiya treaty to change his signat...
Shafique, get this in your head and make sure it stays there. I did not say that Islam is beautiful because of Mohammad. I said I find it beautiful in a mostly superficial way ("it photographs well"), it's visually stunning. Islam is a religion. It was brought by Muhammad, pbuh. You state...
http://www.islamicity.com/mosque/muhammad_bible.htm Apologies, a cut a paste job - but loads of references for us to discuss - and offers an interpretation of the Bible. For me the most convincing prophecies are those of the paraclete/comforter - describing a prophet to come with a message that will...
ebonics - nostradamus didn't claim to be a prophet of God. According to Deut 18 - only true prophets who make prophecies in the name of God have the prophecies come true. I know you don't believe in the Bible, but that is what it says. As for Moses and Muhammad, pbuh - in two important aspects they ...