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Freza, Being among the losers means that they won't get the full rewards that those obedient servants of God will get - if you reject the message of God and present another religion, then this will not be given precedent. what are those "full rewards" and how do you get the losers = not f...

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Apologies, I overlooked the fact you did refer to 5.51 and 57 in your original post. These do say do not take Jews and Christians as friends (in 5.51) and 5.27 says do not take those who make fun of your religion (Islam) from among those who were given the book before (i.e. Jews and Christians). I d...

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Freza, 5.27 was a typo - I meant 5.57 (the other verse you referred to). 'Never accepted of him' means exactly what it says - God will not accept another religion above Islam and 'they will be among the losers' means exactly what it says 'at the day of judgment these will be among those who will be ...

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Valkyrie, The verse and Ibn Kathir's commentary speak of 'some' of the unbelievers, not all the unbelievers. The issue over whether hell is eternal or not is a different issue - I disagree with Ibn Kathir that hell is eternal, but that is not really relevant to 2.62 which says some Jews and Christia...

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double post sorry - network connection playing up today!

shafique

I feel sorry for the poor servant who lost his ear! So, we have Jesus instructing his disciples to sell their clothes to buy a sword if they don't have one, and we have an example of one disciple using his weapon to chop off an ear. I agree that the verses about Jesus not bringing peace are about th...

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I thought I'd post an apparent contradiction in the NT: And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice , but seeing no man. ACTS 9.7 And they that were with me, saw indeed the, light and were afraid; but heard not the voice of him that spake to me. ACTS 22.9 The question that...

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What do you think of Obadiah Shoher's views on the Middle East conflict? One can argue, of course, that Shoher is ultra-right, but his followers are far from being a marginal group. Also, he rejects Jewish moralistic reasoning - that's alone is highly unusual for the Israeli right. And he is very i...

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I'm a simple guy - I believe in fundamentals like looking at house prices as a mulitple of salaries and looking to see how many people in Dubai earn enough to buy a house given the skewed distribution of earnings here. I'm constantly reminded of the maxim in financial circles: The most expensive wor...

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From the 1 Feb 08 post at John Hilley's blog: http://johnhilley.blogspot.com/ Demystifying the Palestinian issue Resolving the Palestinian issue? It's as simple as one, two, three. Well, relatively simple when we strip-away Israeli rhetoric and look clearly at the key legalities of the situation. Is...

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my head hurts

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my head hurts :lol: If only I could banish this thread to eternal damnation I would... :lol: . But nah....It makes a hella lot of good reading with a stale coffee in the morning :lol: :lol: :lol: Hey shafique..nice to see you here way up north from your usual lounge....having free time lately and n...

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The murdered man was with his son in a mall - his son wants to play with a toy, the other boy's mother gets angry and calls her husband who ends up killing the first man. The first man's wife is in hospital giving birth and he gets murdered in front of his son. I can therefore understand the grief o...

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Yeah, the verse still applies. But the way I see this, is that first alcohol was only forbidden during prayers and obviously allowed outside that and only later completely forbidden. This is a contradiction no? Later interpretations ended this (completely banning alcohol), although still some Musli...

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As above, contradictions or not, that Islam and other religions are based on "the word of God as copied by someone else" means there are zero real facts involved. At least Islam is unique in having a scripture that claims to be the direct revelation of words spoken by God, and that these ...

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no you're completely right, no other scripture claims so, or is said to be that.. but what is your proof that god spoke those words - it is only a matter of muslim faith, there's no concrete proof, and it could be anyone's words. its a matter of either you chosing to believe, blindly, which is the ...

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This is a press release from the UK (slightly edited by me to remove some names) - and it sums up my views better than I could put them: MUSLIM COMMUNITY CONDEMNS REPRINTING OF DANISH CARTOONS This Muslim Community strongly condemns news from Denmark that a series of caricatures which caused a great...

shafique

which god would tell you not to eat pig, to stop what you're doing and pray 5 times a day, god's not needy for your prayers... u can pray and think of god silently in your thoughts through your every day actions... just simple things like that make all the difference, rather than what you'd call a ...

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this is where we agree to disagree... but i will challenge how eating pig isnt good for us? On this point, God does not give detailed reasons. In the Quran it does say that pigs are unclean, but does not say this is the reason for pork to be banned. i will challenge how marrying 4 women is consider...

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Do Muslims believe that God is the speaker in every passage of the Koran? Yes. Every word is the verbatim revelation from God. This is explicit in the Quran - and actually is a fulfilment of a prophecy in the Old Testament, Deuteronomy 18.18 says: 18 I will raise up for them a prophet like you from...

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why? since when is any animal "clean"? so are you telling me it doesnt say pork is banned? Pork is banned, but the reason isn't given. By contrast, alcohol and gambling are banned and a reason is given (that there is some good in both, but the bad outweighs the good). The Quran describes ...

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Yes. Every word is the verbatim revelation from God. What about passages where, presumably, Muhammad or the angel Gabriel are the narrators? For example, surah 17.001: Glory to (Allah) Who did take His servant for a Journey by night from the Sacred Mosque to the farthest Mosque, whose precincts We ...

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ebonics wrote:am i the only person that thinks that the kur'an in english makes as much sense as an ESL student that cant make it past his first unit...

I hear that the Bible translated into Yoruba is a blast as well!

Cheers
Shafique

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- how is the pig any less clean than any other animal, a cow, a horse, a dog... In many ways. Are you saying pigs are as clean? - males and females are biologically different granted, but you are talking as if it would be best for the society to have multiple partners - that was your argument... if...

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as i said im leaving it where i left it i will correct you that the jizya was what you paid to keep your religion other than islam... not to exempt you from military duty... thats complete false information. Jizya is a tax that was payable by non-Muslims, Muslims paid different taxes. Non-muslims w...

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What do people think about the call for Beijing Olympics to be boycotted due to the Chinese support of the Sudanese government?

Cheers,
Shafique

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and do you know, what happened if you cannot pay the jizya? They sent the tax man/bailiff round? What happened to Muslims who didn't pay their tax? (Also, please specify the date/region you are referring to and do me the favour and compare what the method of tax collection and punishment for avoida...

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ill rephrase the question, in the period directly after islam rose to power, what happened to none muslims that were un-able to pay the jizya? That's an oxymoron - if one hasn't got any means then the jizya is zero. If you mean what happened to those who refused to pay the jizya - again, you'll hav...

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It appears that my reading of history that Islam wasn't spread by the sword is at odds with other people's views. I cite the example of how Islam spread to Indonesia, China etc as an example. Indonesia is now the biggest Muslim country in the world. I also cite the fact that Islam in Arabia spread f...

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The presence of Muslim armies and the expansion of the Muslim empire territorially should not be confused with the spread of the religion. The rights of other religions was safeguarded and recognised in law. They even had different responsibilities than Muslims and paid different taxes as a mark of ...

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