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The Hellenisation of Pauline Christianity is well documented - so the similarities an echoes of Greek philosophy is indeed clearly observed. It is possible that Socrates was a Prophet of God - his teachings are consistent with this, but as with other possible prophets their messages haven't reached ...

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^ What do you think of Krishna and Buddha - are they prophets in your opinion? As for Lao Tse - I have read the English translation of his Tao Teh Ching, and I recommend it. (It reminds me of the Psalms in many places). I agree with the scholars and accounts of him being an actual person rather than...

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^Kanelli, that list actually strengthens the case in favour of the women choosing to dress modestly in public. Instead of 'muslim woman in hijab' think 'nun in habit'. Nuns may get raped - but it is not a common occurence and is shocking when it takes place. It is not just because a nun wears a habi...

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But the fact still remains that it was the Greeks that have remained with us and indeed had the greatest effect on the course of world history, and continue to do so today. Definitely in the West, that's true. However, it is interesting to note that what one thinks of having the greatest influence ...

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Some 20th century revisionists (of which eh likes to quote sometimes) even question the role Islam played in the transmission of the Greek knowledge. On cue, eh quotes from James Hannam's blog. ;) This was raised by eh a while back.. and I quoted what Hannam had to say on the subject: The truth I t...

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Eh, you seem to be caught up in spin yet again. You're revisionist version is taking isolated examples and hyping it - whereas even Hannam acknowledged the accepted historical fact of the transmission (and development) of the Greek classics to the West. Hunayn ibn Ishaq was one of the Syriac transla...

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The translations to Aramaic were taking place before and after the Arab invasions of the region. Thanks for your opinion. It's a shame that the translator you cited, Hunayn ibn Ishaq, doesn't fit in with your spin. The other big-thing-point is that highlighted portion of Hamman's summary in my post...

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Interesting discussion ladies..

Cheers,
Shafique

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You really can't help yourself with your spin, can you. Ibn Ishaq translated many works NOT PREVIOUSLY TRANSLATED, and also produced the celebrated translations of Plato etc. He lived and worked in the Abbasid period - under Islamic rule. He translated from Greek into Arabic, and also into Syriac. I...

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In Ishaq's time (Abbasid) there were vast amounts of Greek works still untranslated. Ishaq was one translator who was gained renown for his methods and the fidelity of his translations - from Greek into Arabic. That there were works translated in earlier periods is just another one of your 'take a t...

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thank you for agreeing that Hunayn Ishaq - a Christian - was a major translator of Greek studies to Arabic. You're welcome - I didn't realise that anyone had disputed that this Abbassid-era translator was a Christian citizen of the Islamic empire, or that you mentioned his religion at all. It seeme...

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(Warning, long post. ;) ) eh recently linked to the quotlibeta forum where there is a very interesting discussion on 'Christian Beginnings - from Nazareth to Nicea' a book by a respected and eminent scholar, Geza Vermes. It quotes from an article on the subject matter of the book which deals with th...

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Eid Mubarak to everyone!

Cheers,

Shafique

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A long post from eh, indeed. ;) Let me just reply with Sankari's briefest post from the first page of that thread: Oh, absolutely. I also believe the earliest Christians did not consider Jesus to be divine, let alone Yahweh. He backs this up with quite a comprehensive treatment of the topic, and dis...

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I thought the evidence from the NT about the earliest Christians not believing in Jesus as a God to be most compelling : You will search the NT in vain for any passage where Jesus is unambiguously identified and worshipped as the God of Israel. (Notice also that the Father alone is referred to as 'a...

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The book 'Did the First Christians Worship Jesus?: The New Testament Evidence' by James Dunn ("one of the world's top NT scholars) is referenced in the discussion of Jewish Christians in another thread. The conclusion of the study of NT is that No, the earliest Christians did not Worship Jesus ...

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I'm glad you're familiar with the work of Dunn and look forward to your review of his book and whether you agree with the conclusion of his book which I cited in the OP - i.e. that the earliest Christians did not worship Jesus as God according to the evidence in the NT. This book is on Scribd, pdf a...

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James Dunn's book 'Did the First Christians Worship Jesus' covers this aspect quite thoroughly, looking at the words and practice of worship in the NT. The early Christians did not worship Jesus as God. As there's another thread on the book in question, we can take it up in that thread. Cheers, Shaf...

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Have you actually read the book? Yes, I have - I've just finished it. At 150 pages it is quite an easy read (certainly more accessible than New Perspective on Paul). Thanks for the revelation what this thread is about, but Dunn doesn't argue that the New Testament, when read literally, doesn't say ...

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Thankfully the Czech authorities grabbed this wannabe terrorist before he could use the guns and explosives he had amassed: Czech police charge man over 'Breivik-style' plot Police say said the explosives, weapons and ammunition were all functional Police in the Czech Republic have charged a man who...

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Well, the conclusion of Dunn is that Jesus was not worshipped as a God by the earliest Christians. (Which is what I stated in the OP) When you've read what Dunn has actually written, you'll see that Dunn explains that Jesus did worship the one God and instructed his followers to do the same. He expl...

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The conclusion of Dunn is in contradiction with the conclusion of Hurtado As I said, when you read Dunn's book you'll see he addresses Hurtado head on. Hurtado is a believing Christian and therefore does provide arguments in support of the orthodox view that Jesus is a God and was worshipped as suc...

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In a number of previous threads, I've pointed out the evidence that the Islamic terrorism threat to the west is hyped out of all relation to reality - the main terrorist threats in the West is not from Islamic terrorists, judging by the actual attacks that have taken place. It is also interesting to...

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This video has gone viral - so it appears that this forum is not the only one that is infected with hate-filled trolls.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uz2jbCJXkpA

I also say, "thank you" for your views. Enjoy the song.

Cheers,
Shafique

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Anti-abortionist, Republican Congressman Todd Akin has caused a big stir in the States over his use of the term 'legitimate rape': ..on Sunday, he was asked by a local news station if he would support abortions for women who have been raped. The 65-year-old lawmaker replied: "It seems to me, fr...

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I wasn't referring to whether abortion is legal in the UAE or not, but rather to Akin's extreme (and ill-informed) view on 'legitimate rape' - and what the editorials quoted say your fellow extremist American Christians believe in about 'downplaying the horror of rape'. I don't support Akin's view. ...

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You're getting your threads mixed up eh - this one is about a right-wing American anti-abortionist's view about 'legitimate rape'. It sounds like you agree with him on this point (as well as his anti-abortionist stance). For me, rape is rape. I have no idea whether Assange is a rapist or not, but I ...

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Looks like eh needs to hit those history books again. :roll: The sacking and looting of Constantinople was the Fourth Crusade, the first left Constantinope intact. It shows what happens when you rely on dodgy blog sites for historical information. ;) The facts still remain, that it was under Muslim ...

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The article makes mention of Brievik wanting Spencer to get the Nobel prize. I guess it is easier to ignore this than to address this point. And I'm not surprised to read the 'whataboutery' argument either - whenever Islamphobes are exposed, the anti-Muslim poster here always brings up his 'blogger-...

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It is a real shame that almost all the posts here are anti-Muslim hype-and-hate posts now. I was disappointed and ashamed this morning to see the reaction to a post by Andyba about the killing of an 11 month Omar Mishrawi (whose father works for the BBC) was not one of condemnation of the killing of...

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