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I agree, anyone with common sense can compare the Memri specials (at least two selective clips joined together) with the full text of what his views of Jews are.

But you haven't told us - what made you dig up this memri clip from 2009?

Cheers,

Shafique

shafique

It seems to be a strange list - with arbitrary listing of what they consider persecution of Christians entails. For example, Iran is pretty high up and yet guarantees Christian rights, has reserved places in parliament and very long established Churches. What the site seems to be measuring is whethe...

shafique

You didn't tell us why you decided to post this Memri special from 2009. Why are you avoiding this question? As for Memri - I've posted before what my issue is with their specials: MEMRI's work has been attacked on three grounds: that their work is biased; that they choose articles to translate sele...

shafique

I must have missed that bit in the article - perhaps the Google translate was a bit off, which particular quote from the article are you referring to when you say she says 'she loves pain'? (I can only see where she says 'Besides, I did not want the standard pain killing injection in the back' - Daa...

shafique

Darn - I thought for a minute that you may have at last found one real life example of a Muslim man following God's commandments as per the verse you quoted in the OP, and that finally we could see what 'crime' the 'rebellious woman' had committed. Alas, you are still in a miserable state of failure...

shafique

I have no need for a site that makes up propaganda by selectively quoting and misquoting Arabic media - why would I? To rely on real news I refer to news organisations or sites which link to news organisations in full. Loonwatch is a good example. Memri specials are invariable selective quotes out o...

shafique

You started a thread. When was the last time you posted something that wasn't an anti-Muslim rant? :) So I presume you are a fellow American Evangelical Christian then - can you shed light on the criteria they used and whether you believe that Christians in the UAE (and India, and Cuba) are more per...

shafique

shafique

I guess that's a 'yes, I'm an American Evangelical Christian' then!

eh - explain to me again how Christians in Dubai are much more persecuted than in Indonesia where churches have been bombed (or even Palestine for that matter).

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

So, why did you post this Memri special from 2009?

Qaradawi's complete quotation is given in my post - the Memri special seems to be a selective compilation of clips. Even a schoolboy can spot the difference.

Cheers,

Shafique

shafique

Thanks for your input BM (Edit - I mean 'professorgreen' ;) ) - but FD has to justify why he grossly misrepresented the quote he gave in the OP, and also where he's got this notion that the lady 'loves pain'. It seems to be a whole load of hype from top to bottom - no mention of Nazism in the articl...

shafique

Unlike Memri 'specials' which intentionally don't quote the full context - those exposing Memri's misdeeds can cite real and numerous examples . The Guardian article from a few years back exposes blatant examples of Memri mistranslating and misrepresenting a piece of 'news'. It concludes: The effect...

shafique

Courtesy is indeed a feature of us English. But let's not give you another excuse for not answering the question posed. Let me see how I first asked it, and I will make it more courteous as requested: FD - as for your misrepresentation of the quote you gave in the OP - did you just not understand wh...

shafique

I find your critique of the question (in both forms of it) being posed most puzzling. It is almost as if you don't want to answer for your actions after having had the selective nature of the quote and factual inaccuracy pointed out. I understand your embarrassment, but if it was me, I would have an...

shafique

Interesting way to avoid answering the question - attack the one who has exposed the misrepresentation and fallacy of your post. Hmm. I am now pretty convinced that when you posted the OP you had not actually read the underlying article. That would explain why you reproduced the error made in on the...

shafique

So, explain to me the 'reality' of Christians in Dubai facing more persecution than in Indonesia where there churches have been bombed.

It appears that your Evangelical friends have a strange way of ranking persecution.

Cheers,

Shafique

shafique

I did provide the full reference and context of Qaradawi's views of Jews in my post. You posted the Memri vid from 2009 - so you show that it is not a usual Memri special. Memri has form in this type of misrepresentation, after all: In an e-mail debate with Carmon, Whitaker asked about MEMRI's Novem...

shafique

Fail. Why not address the specific, explicit and numerous instances of Memri's selectiveness and deliberate (not mistaken) mistranslations listed? Vincent Cannistraro, former head of the CIA's counterintelligence unit is quite clear, Memri is selective and act as propagandists for their political po...

shafique

Rabbi Cohen etc above seem to have a different view from those who want to believe the Memri special.

Now, are we supposed to guess why eh has dug up this Memri special from 2009?

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

You are wriggling now FD. I assure you, many fellow Englishmen would not be as diplomatic as I am when dealing with blatant misrepresentations and dogged evasion. But I guess with you it is a hard habit to break - trying to discredit the poster rather than the message. I mean, that is what you're no...

shafique

The Rabbi was meeting with the guy and was speaking specifically about the difference between opposition to Zionist expansion etc and Jewish people in general. I do think that a Rabbi's full comments are worth more than a memri special of a few clips edited together. Did you ask eh why he puts so mu...

shafique

^ So you're saying that the Dutch mother, Dutch doctors, midwives and healthcare workers etc are not 'wack jobs' after all. Hmm. Interesting. But the question that still remains unanswered is why the selective quotes and misrepresentation in the OP were done. Error or deliberate spin? My money is on...

shafique

Why did you dig out this memri special from 2009?

When you can show to me the full speeches and context of the clips in the Memri special, then I can comment more fully. Until then, I have given you a complete quote that is verifiable which shows his views vis-a-vis Jews.

Cheers,

Shafique

shafique

Of course the Islamphobic bloggers and their ilk love Memri - they have a shared agenda after all, inventing myths about Muslims.

How about tackling the very real examples of mistranslations and misrepresentations?

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

shafique wrote:But the question that still remains unanswered is why the selective quotes and misrepresentation in the OP were done. Error or deliberate spin? My money is on the deliberate spin.

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

shafique wrote:Why did you dig out this memri special from 2009?

You can believe what you like, but let's stick to questions you can answer and let others judge between the selective quotes in your memri special and the full article I posted.

Cheers,

Shafique

shafique

shafique wrote:How about tackling the very real examples of mistranslations and misrepresentations?

Cat got your tongue?

Cheers,

Shafique

shafique

:D Nice try FD - but your spin is failing you spectacularly these days. As you well know, I'm just highlighting the questions that you are trying your best to avoid - and in any case, a poster can't reply to their own post. So, let me repeat (again!): But the question that still remains unanswered i...

shafique

Fail. This thread is about examples of Memri's deliberate misrepresentations and mistranslations, and why people should follow the advice and double check the spin that comes from Memri. The facts show that Memri is nothing more than a propaganda machine. For example Vincent Cannistraro, former head...

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