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eh - the point is not what the words translate to in English, but rather the meaning of the complete phrase. But even if we break it down - the words there are 'giving ' 'to ones qurba' where qurba is kinship/family/mankind. Itai Dhul Qurba - the third level in this comprehensive verse is talking ab...

shafique

And whilst you're waiting eh - care to answer Nucleus' question on a Biblical verse prohibiting paedophillia?

Cheers,

Shafique

shafique

Never mind eh - insulting others is all you have left. Why is it that when faced with clear evidence that your analysis of the Quran is wrong, you always resort to insults and avoid questions posed to you? The third stage of virtue described by God has been shown to you in two commentaries, and yet ...

shafique

Nucleus - good luck. Whilst eh has been provided Quranic, Hadith and scientific references - I predict he won't provide one Biblical verse. I may be proved wrong.. but let's see.

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Shafique

shafique

The article in question does not mention Islam/Muslims or any other religion. Only Islamophobic bloggers seem to be the ones who share this belief of yours that Islam is the reason. Your problem is that the same organisation states that 1 in 3 honour crimes in the UK are carried out by non-Muslims. ...

shafique

LOL - JS hits the nail on the head.

The guy says with a straight face that their problem with the show is that it doesn't show extremists and challenges the 'belief structure'.

As JS said - belief structure or facts!!

Cheers,

Shafique

shafique

Nucleus - see, he won't provide a Biblical verse that prohibits paedophillia, but will continue his denials.

Cheers,

Shafique

shafique

Why do you think listing a set of beliefs that only Islamophobic bloggers seem to believe will convince anyone? Still waiting to hear one expert that agrees with you. But, may I ask yet again, what does your interpretation of Iranian law have to do with the honour crimes in the UK? Certainly, it has...

shafique

Why don't you just tell us what your issue is with the Platinum rule? It is understandable that you have problems with Scriptural passages that don't fit your beliefs - I mean, you have problem with the Bibles - and you're a Christian: http://www.dubaiforums.com/philosophy-dubai/biblical-confusion-t...

shafique

LOL - did you watch the second video herve?

I guess you agreed with the FFA guy in the first video.

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Shafique

shafique

DFT - according to Islam and the other mono-theistic faiths (and quite a few others), yes God does exist outside the universe and is uncaused and not created. God is the programmer of the sim programme that we experience as the Universe. He is not bound by the laws of His creation (the Universe), bu...

shafique

eh is just trolling now. I asked him what he objects to in the 'Platinum Rule' and yet he can't answer. The only objection he has raised in this thread is the denial that the Quranic verse encompasses the Golden Rule as the lowest level of virtue (justice), then ordains kindness and kinship as the n...

shafique

DFT - by definition, the God of the monotheistic religions is not of this universe - so is not made of matter or energy. Complexity or simplicity only have meaning for us within the universe. Science tells us that everything outside the universe is 'undefined' - i.e. what was there before the big-ba...

shafique

I'd call 'be polite' as a 'bronze rule'.

We could do more of that on these forums.

Cheers,

Shafique

shafique

eh please stop trolling. I explained to you what the Platinum rule was and have asked you what your issue is with it. I also explained how it derives from God's instructions in 16.90 which describes the 3 levels of virtue, the lowest being Adl (Justice) - which is the level of the Golden Rule. The n...

shafique

What has your view of Iranian law got to do with the honour crimes in the UK? You're losing it eh. 3 million crimes against women in the UK, of which less than 1% are honour crimes. Of these, 1 in 3 are by non-Muslims. Why are you bringing in your interpretation of Iranian law? :roll: Could it be be...

shafique

DFT - I have not indeed seen a table spontaneously erect/construct itself. I put it to you that a protein membrane is about 10 million times more complex than a wooden table. It is not even alive. When someone can show me that a 'simple' protein membrane can be spontaneously constructed from underly...

shafique

Violence between shia and sunni goes back to the schism which initially was political and not religious. The hatred hasn't stopped and this gruesome act is just the latest atrocity. The reports say that the extremists have links to or come from Pakistan. There the sectarian violence against Shia and...

shafique

What experts are those gertrude? (serious question) Surely you're not confusing what Islamophobic bloggers claim with the truth? Surely there must be ONE expert out there you can quote that agrees with you? The experts quoted in this thread all say religion has nothing to do with these crimes. Cheer...

shafique

As I thought - no expert at all, only what some Islamophobic bloggers want to believe. Sad really.

But thanks for proving my point.

Cheers,

Shafique

shafique

An Islamophobic blogger is someone with no credentials other than their hatred of Islam. An expert on the subject would be any one of the experts quoted in this thread - such as those on pg 1 which say honour crimes have nothing to do with any religion. Note that no one here has actually quoted ANY ...

shafique

Dillon, please stop trolling. I have explicitly dealt with both your questions at least twice in this thread. The question that you have to answer is why you cannot produce ONE expert that believes in your theory that Islam is responsible for honour crimes. The only experts quoted in this thread exp...

shafique

Can you provide ONE expert that believes in your theory that Islam is a cause of honour crimes? The experts provided all say religion is not responsible.

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

Sorry, did you delete the name/reference of your expert before you cut and pasted the above? I asked for ONE expert who agreed with your theory. The only experts listed in this thread all say that religion has nothing to do with honour killings. If you can't find one expert, just say so and stop tro...

shafique

A simple 'No, I cannot find any expert who agrees with my belief that Islam is responsible for honour killings' would have sufficed. The experts quoted are experts because they have looked at the statistics and evidence and know what they are talking about. Your unknown sources for your belief seem ...

shafique

What's staring me in the face are cuts and pastes and a theory which only Islamophobic bloggers seem to believe. No experts. At all. Not one. But as I'm generous - please inform me if you ever do find one expert. In the meantime, I'm impressed that your beliefs are so strong - perhaps you could try ...

shafique

Well, copy us in on any response you get from the experts and let's see whether they take you seriously or laugh at you.

Cheers,

Shafique

shafique

I'm flattered that you think I have experts. But I guess you mean the experts that myself and others have cited and referred to. Easy mistake to make.

Cheers,

shafique

shafique

Thanks DFT, I enjoyed that TED presentation. I have admit that it does reinforce my view - that whilst possible, the odds of life occuring by chance are too small for me to have enough faith to believe in it. As he says early on, a cell has about 1,000,000 types of molecules and they are still at th...

shafique

I simply asked you what problem you had with the platinum rule - why the insults? 16.90 talks of three levels of virtue - first Justice (Adl), which encompasses the Golden Rule. Kindness is the next step up - do more for others, and finally the highest level is (as described in the 2 commentaries po...

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