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shafique

Actually Dillon, if you go back and check you'll see I issued the challenge to herve and eh to provide one quote from one cleric that agrees with their view that Islam allows honour killings. I then invited you to take up the challenge. If you guys want to believe that Islam/Shariah law somehow allo...

shafique

Strange, I was looking out for the answers to my direct questions. Now, given that the article in the OP does not mention Muslims/Islam or religion - I'm still curious where all 'the majority of the crimes in OP are by Muslims' comes from? Perhaps it comes from the same source that is giving you wro...

shafique

Well, I'll wait for the facts to be presented then. Imagining that the article in the OP mentions Islam/Muslims is just the tip of the iceberg of 'beliefs' presented. ;) After all, all I did was ask for sources for the beliefs.. Perhaps it comes from the same source that is giving you wrong informat...

shafique

Been there, done that, bought the T-shirt. My first post gave quoted experts which complemented he information in the article (which does not mention religion), and Andy et al all were saying the same thing - honour crimes, not condoned by any religion. Are you now imagining you've cited sources for...

shafique

I'm simply asking you to cite the sources for your beliefs. The article in the OP doesn't mention Muslims, nor have I seen where you've quoted any source which backs up the belief that Islam is somehow responsible for the crimes (on the contrary, Islam and all religions condemn these). Cheers, Shafi...

shafique

The sources upon which I formulated my opinions, I readily found from reading the article in the OP, and various internet, newswire and published articles on the subject, and I recommend you, to do the same and not be persuaded by my particular opinion. The article in the OP does not contain any re...

shafique

Why are you being coy about your sources? Did you just assume that the article in the OP talked about Muslims? Both your questions were answered explicitly and stem from a misconceived notion about the facts - and can't come from the article in the OP, but from your un-named sources. Here's the link...

shafique

What is interesting Yosef is that what you are saying about honour killings having nothing to do with Islam has also been explicitly stated by experts quoted (and fully referenced) in posts in this thread. The original article in the first post does not mention Islam or Muslims, but BM made a commen...

shafique

I see many people dont like Islam here. Many topics in all section of this website attack Islam. If somebody hate Islam, it is ok but please keep it private better than hurting feelings of Muslim people. I think the only Muslim person here is you. Yosef, there are only a few people here who activel...

shafique

The issue in Israel that had over 100,000 people march in favour of Apartheid-like racial segregation has taken a latest twist - now the high court is hearing a petition against this racial segregation within a girl's school. The 'white' Ashkenazi of European extraction are the ones who don't want t...

shafique

I can read English and I can indeed post links and cite references. I'm wondering why you're being so coy about your source for your beliefs in the myth that Islam is even partly responsible for the honour crimes. I mean, it is not from the article in the OP and you haven't cited any sources for you...

shafique

Interesting. I ask for sources for your beliefs and you simply state that I should reread your posts which don't contain the sources. Hmm.

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

If it makes you feel happier to imagine you've given me sources for your belief - I guess you should continue to imagine. Looking back, I see Andyba has cited a few sources, I've given you a few - and you've just stated your beliefs about the causal link between Islam and honour killings, even prais...

shafique

"People try to blame Muslims, Hindus or Sikhs but it tends to happen in families where there are the strongest ties and expectations. It's a very strong cultural issue." Leaders of the world's faiths have also strongly denounced a connection between religion and honour killings. http://ww...

shafique

How many of the 2,823 incidents were carried out by Muslims? How many of these said religion was their motivating factor, and how many of the non-Muslims cited religion as a factor? The original article does not mention Islam or Muslim once. Cite your sources. Look, I'll help you - honour crimes are...

shafique

Please give sources for your beliefs. You cited an article which does not mention Islam/Muslims - and yet want to blame Muslims. :roll: I'm not trying to divert attention from any violence against women, just asking where the Islamophobic myth that Islam is to blame derives from. It can't come from ...

shafique

Dillon - Interesting that you are getting upset because I have asked for your sources and simply asked how many of the 2,823 incidents were carried out by Muslims? I'm not the one who has felt the need to resort to name calling. Labelling a view Islamophobic because it relies on a myth about Islam t...

shafique

Another interesting fact - the IKWRO website does not link the honour crimes with Islam: http://ikwro.org.uk/2011/12/03/nearly-3000-cases-of-honour-violence-every-year-in-the-uk/ I'm still waiting for herve, eh or even Dillon to produce one quote from a cleric which says Islam is ok with honour crim...

shafique

Dillon - I'm impressed at the strengths of your belief. I note the excuses you've constructed why there aren't any references to Islam being the cause of the honour killings in any of the sites etc cited, but there are explicit statements which say that Islam is not the cause. As I stated before, th...

shafique

CNN report on Demise of Islam http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTRR7z9Vc5I Thanks for this nucleus - interesting that the Imam in the piece is none other than Imam Rauf who later was involved in the Park 51 project in Manhattan. CNN's piece counters the hype and wishful thinking about the so-called d...

shafique

Dillon - enough with the smoke and mirrors. I've asked how many of the 2,823 incidents in the UK last year were by Muslims, how many perpetrators (amongst Muslims and non-Muslims) cited religion as the cause? You've failed to answer this, and given excuses. I've asked how many honour killings were i...

shafique

My questions about the 2,823 incidents weren't rhetorical. How many of these were by Muslim, and were any of them actual killings? (I've not seen the breakdown.) I wouldn't say that you not answering the questions about where your contrarian views come from upset me. Truth be told, I'm used to findi...

shafique

2+3 could also equal 10. ;) (There are I0 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't) But seriously, given that 99% of the knowledge is unknown, I find it odd to not have a view on the 99% of the yet to be proven/discovered aspects of knowledge. Indeed, having a v...

shafique

I understand herve's theory. I was asking from which source it came from - as no actual source has been cited. The point made to herve, eh and others is that they should back up their Islamophobic claim that Islam condones honour crimes by producing one cleric which says this. Instead we get innuend...

shafique

Asking for a breakdown in 2,823 incidents is not making an assumption. It should be easy enough to check by how much the killings have gone up by (but so far I've not seen any numbers for honour killings last year). I guess we won't get a breakdown of Muslim vs non-Muslim perpetrators. Pointing out ...

shafique

I've just asked where you got your mistaken assumptions from? I've seen the theories on Islamophobic websites and have checked the various groups who are working against violence against women in the UK - it is only the Islamophobes that make the link with religion, the others logically point out th...

shafique

I followed your advice and looked a bit more: I found one example of an honour murder in the UK - took place in 2010 and conviction this year: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-shropshire-12431942 (It was a Sikh, not a Muslim - and religion played no part as far as I can see, certainly not any su...

shafique

You are not having a good time with statistics and evidence provided are you Dillon? Nothing in the article in the OP contradicts what the experts say is the root cause of the honour crimes. The article does not mention religion - so I really can't see why you think the stats/article supports your v...

shafique

Yosef, the problem that Dillon has is that he has been found out. The original article does not mention Muslims, the only experts quoted on the subject of honour killings explicitly say it has nothing to do with Islam or religion. Dillon could not come up with numbers of Muslims committing the crime...

shafique

I hadn't heard of the film 'Facing Ali' until mentioned in this thread above.

I watched it last night - very interesting and well worth watching for all Ali and boxing fans.

Cheers,
Shafique

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