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I think gertrude is playing a nasty trick on herve - pretending that she also believes in the internet hoax about mass wedding. eh is staying quiet on the subject of the hoax - he's figured out herve is making a fool of himself. ;) But let's not loose track of the fact that the evidence from Quran, ...

shafique

Ok - here's something new. I wonder whether FD also believes in the internet hoax that caps and herve believes in? But back to the subject of this thread - we have two camps: 1. Loons who believe Islam allows paedophillia and forced marriages and rely on internet hoaxes and memri specials, and 2. th...

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Loons will always avoid discussing facts and evidence, and will always revert to their beliefs. That's what distinguishes loons from those who are interested in discussing issues and examining evidence. This thread is about forced marriages, and the loons are the ones in denial that Islam does not c...

shafique

LOL - I find it much more efficient to type loons than Islamophobes. Your obsession with me and ignoring the issues of this thread is a bit creepy. Now, why don't you help your friend herve out with his beliefs - he's getting his weird ideas again. I'm sure you can explain to him how his snippets do...

shafique

Simple - any clergy that advocates forced marriages or believes in the internet hoax are as crazee as Caps and herve are to think that Islam advocates forced marriages. Photos of bridesmaids being passed off as brides shows that you guys don't have any real evidence - but hey, the photo is oddly rem...

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See herve still believes the internet hoax despite the fact it is a total fabrication. The brides weren't filmed, and these girls were relatives of the grooms - bridesmaids, not brides. The big thing point is that Muslims are aware of a problem, and don't ignore the issue of some tribes who do pract...

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Herve, caps, gertrude all desperately want to believe an internet hoax that 450 child brides got married in Gaza in a mass wedding. This just didn't happen - the photos of the grooms with bridesmaids was presented as proof of paedophillia in Islam in a number of blogs and edited youtube clips. A Sky...

shafique

Note that in this thread you were caught out in a lie. You quoted from a loon website and then tried to hide this fact by telling a lie. Quite separately, you want to believe this internet hoax. You have to be quite desperate to want to believe this hoax is real. The best response was on a site run ...

shafique

Has the penny finally dropped herve?

Do you now realise how silly you are to claim the hoax was real?

(As for the political wedding, I refer you to the video link above - let me know which particular part of the evidence presented you think is false/misleading.)

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

In what way is referring you to evidence and asking to discuss the points raised evading the question? The evidence to answer the question whether the marriage to Aisha represents paedophillia (as you believe) or a political marriage that was consummated when the bride reached physical and mental ma...

shafique

No, I don't agree with your belief - as the evidence shows you are wrong in your conclusions. I'm happy to discuss the evidence that contradicts your view. You seem to be avoiding this. You were wrong to believe in the obvious hoax, so perhaps you need a bit more time to realise your error here. Che...

shafique

Please don't troll this thread BM, there's a dear.

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

Indeed, my thoughts exactly. Now, can you please either stay on topic or start another thread. I'm asking politely.

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

Paedophillia is actually a s.exual attraction for under age girls. Hugh Heffner and other older men who have relations with women who are decades younger, aren't usually called paedophiles if the ladies are s.exually and mentally mature (i.e. are physically and mentally women, not girls). The canard...

shafique

What is more worrying to me is the speed and willingness to accept clear hoaxes as fact, and to refuse to actually acknowledge/discuss evidence produced. Just because you want to believe that Aisha wasn't mature when the marriage was consummated, does not mean the evidence isn't there and should be ...

shafique

That is just another canard, and is addressed in the video - the point being that consent is required - and in the case of some cultures - consent is given when one remains silent (and therefore if one does not wish to consent, you say something). It is just like some cultures a shake of the head me...

shafique

Whether Aisha was s.exually and mentally mature does make a big difference. If she wasn't, then the consummation of the marriage would be against the teachings of Islam given by God. If, as the evidence given shows, she was physically and mentally a mature woman, then the allegations of paedophillia...

shafique

I certainly don't justify any form of child s.ex abuse, and I too am concerned and would condemn any Afghanistani or Pakistani marrying off their young daughters by force, or before the age of 16 say. But that is the point - Muslims don't view the marriage of Aisha to Muhammad, pbuh, as a licence fo...

shafique

Ahh, a whataboutery argument - totally irrelevant to this thread, but I guess eh couldn't quite come and defend herve and caps for believing in the hoax. Whataboutery is always a sign of desperation - especially funny ones lie eh's attempt here.

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

European, Asian, Chinese, African and everywhere else at the time of the marriage and consummation of the marriage between a fully mature woman and her husband. Try and keep up eh. I know you want to ignore evidence and facts, but playing dumb (whilst coming naturally to you) is not endearing. Cheer...

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It doesn't fall under the category of s.ex abuse because in the 7th century having s.ex with one's sexually mature and intellectually mature wife wasn't child abuse - by definition, a s.exually and intellectually mature female is no longer a child. That's where the science comes in. I take you didn'...

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Marriageable age was puberty in Arabia - and that applied to Jews, pagans and Muslims. The evidence regarding puberty and intellectual maturity is in the video - and referenced. Remember that centuries later, political marriages in Europe were similarly between girls below 10, but again the marriage...

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The scientific paper is introduced at 8 min, the section of age of consent is around 13.40 and gives the age of consent throughout ages - being as low as 7. Marriage being usual at puberty (marriage or consummation of a marriage will be at least above age of consent). (Kanelli - see around 15.30 for...

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FD, I was quite precise in my statement: Marriageable age was puberty in Arabia - and that applied to Jews, pagans and Muslims. This is a statement, and I don't say that this fact is directly in the video. It is directly in the references I've given you above - I am therefore stating a fact. The nex...

shafique

Did you read the references? Is your confusion the fact that the references are about marriage between women past puberty and men, and the fact that Aisha was mature at the time of the marriage? Or is it that quote from a historian who says: From the standpoint of Muhammad’s time, then, the allegati...

shafique

I happen to agree with the experts who have looked into the matter and concluded that your view is not appropriate. From the standpoint of Muhammad’s time, then, the allegations of treachery and sensuality cannot be maintained. His contemporaries did not find him morally defective in any way. You ob...

shafique

herve, herve, herve... when will you learn? :roll: In this thread you were certain a hoax was real, insisting several times that it was true AFTER it was shown to you it was a complete fabrication. Now you are quoting the joker Anjem Choudry as if he knew what he was talking about. You have no excus...

shafique

Loons and their theories! :roll: Compare and contrast with the conclusion of a historian and the wild theory that Islam condones paedophillia. The problem for herve is that God says in the Quran (and the references are in the video), that forced marriages are not allowed. The evidence is also that h...

shafique

Any s.ex outside of marriage is against Islam. God is clear about that. In Iran, paedophillia is explicitly a crime - and this is Sharia law. Elsewhere any paedophile will be punished for breaking the rules on s.ex outside of marriage. I'm not sure why you are still confused herve. The Quran talks o...

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The stats are in for Terrorist acts in the EU as documented by EU police forces in the latest report from Europol. The facts show - less than 1% of terrorist attacks carried out by Muslims/Jihadists and that of those, none resulted in any deaths. (And as highlighted below, this directly counters the...

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