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LOL - eh that's a new one on me. The Quran I have doesn't say it is ok for me to kill my kids if they disobey me. Mel - as for ancient pre-Islamic Persia - they had some inventive ways of executing people (please excuse going slightly off topic): Scaphism, also known as the boats, was an ancient Pe...

^Yes Mel - as I said it was off topic - but I would classify scaphism as a punishment, and I'd say it is worse than stoning as a means of execution! Are you sure that the Persians didn't chop off hands? What was the punishment for persistent theives (serious question)? Cheers, Shafique prison! whic...

Arabic and English are both foreign language to me, but I think Arabic pronunciations are much more complicated. Although the alphabet for Arabic and Persian (Farsi) Are almost the same, pronunciations are much diversified in Arabic.

Not Eye-ran, most of the time they say Eye-run!!!

And well I m curious how many of you native english speakers can speak any other language than English?!

Well then most of native English speakers can not speak any other language. To be honest, English is not widely spoken in Iran, although they taught English and Arabic in school, lots of people lose it after little time. English is the first foreign language for more educated people and businessmen....

For whom is the term moderates used? What are they supposed to stand for? Often I hear they condemn terrorism, condemn the killing innocent civilians and are peace-loving. I am sure there are many. However, when scratching off the surface I more than often notice that terrorism, innocent, civilian ...

Why there is a need for an evidence when it is clearly stated in Quran?! I'm surprised at you Shaf. You denied stoning because it is not in Quran, although it been practiced during prophet and other khalifas time. and for this other rule which is exactly in Quran, if you have a child which is going ...

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I asked for one verse, not a whole book!
Can you show me a verse which contradicts "kill nonbelievers"?

I m doing all of the above now!! so for me it will be to continue all of the above and get out of Iran!

shafique wrote:There is no verse in the Quran that says kill all non-believers, so there is no contradiction on this score. You really should know better!!

2:191

Do you know what is considered as fighting against Islam?

Simple answer, practicing other religions!

If you need the example, I can tell you of Iranian clerics who support killing the children if they became nonbelievers.But I can't find the resources in English! Again, when it is stated in Quran, why do we need the example for? And the rule is not "you can kill them for rebellion", it sa...

yaa let me repeat too:

melika969 wrote:Do you know what is considered as fighting against Islam?

Simple answer, practicing other religions!

Or not practicing Islam!

shafique wrote:'Those who fight you' does not equal 'all non-Muslims'.

It does!

^Killing of apostates is a different issue Mel - we've had already an example from Saudi. It is the fantastical claim by eh about the Quran teaching it is ok to kill rebellious children that is without foundation and seems to be only a figment of an anti-Islamic blogger's mind. eh dug himself a hol...

LOL yea I already know in your version of Quran there is nothing about killing murtids or nonbelievers! Apparently it's all about having fun!

^^^ok, it's your choice. But IMO if everyone is going to call others in the way they see them, the place will turn into a zoo!

I m doing all of the above now!! so for me it will be to continue all of the above and get out of Iran! Aw Mel, that's such a shame that you think that way about your country. I hope things improve soon for you and your people. Thanks BM, I love my country, I just don't like the government! :wink: ...

That's a shame Mel. I rented my flat to an Iranian couple for a few months last year, they were really nice and I spoke to them at length about your government. They too, loved their country but would have difficulty living in Iran. If I could help you at all coming to the UK, I would, there isn't ...

kanelli wrote:

Bethsmum wrote:If I could help you at all coming to the UK, I would, there isn't much work around at the moment, everybody is in fear of losing their jobs at the moment. Good luck Mel.

what's so funny?!

Do some more research about parciting other religions and promoting them in Islamic laws , you can start with prophet's time! the only prophet who used sword to promote his religion!

Does the Koran not say for muslims to be tolerant of other religions? Does it not recognise the Christians and Jews and their Holy books? I think you'll find it does. Practicing another religion is not waging war on Islam and Muslims. All religions at their basic root teach exactly the same thing. ...

^I refer you to the Christian kingdom of Abysynnia (again). But we are straying from the point - the Quran does not have any verse which says that ALL non-Muslims should be killed. I think this central fact is now clear. Other beliefs/myths about spreading the faith by the sword etc can be dealt wi...

LOL why should I go to Abysinna (which actually I'm not sure what you are talking about as your english spellings is not a very good guide!) I already have muslims' attack to Iran in my hand! 2:191 is the verse which says kill all nonbelievers, and in the context in Quran they are numerous of punish...

:lol: Come on Shaf! in the time of prophet, go for his attack to Jews tribes. very good example indeed! Sorry for misspelling of "Abysinnia", but if you could tell me the arabic word, then I would't misspell it. and No in 2:191 its about all non muslims, you related it to 190 to support yo...

kanelli wrote:Whew! Thanks for the explanation. Mel, please fix it for me.

Done!

Mel - the Jews that fought the Prophet and broke truces with him and helped the Meccans who were trying to kill the Muslims, were indeed fought against. The Christians of Najran who visited the Prophet in Medina and were allowed to hold their service in his mosque, weren't fighting the Muslims. The...

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... say boo because her husband isn't there to instruct her what to say and when to say it. This point you have raised is a CULTURAL one and not related to RELIGION. Oh really?? that's very new to me! So the right of divorce,travelling, custody of children etc etc are not given to men in Islam?!! o...