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oops, double post.

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Freza, this is interesting. We must be reading different historical sources. Edward Gibbon's 'History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' contains some chapters on the early Church and documents the killings of Christians over differences in theology. Similarly the quotation I gave a numbe...

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Shafique, I think you choose your sources to support your biased views on this particular subject, yes I stand by this and frankly I can see that you do not have a profound understanding of the Bible. If you had a better understanding you would not be getting very basic but important beliefs and ver...

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Freza, I searched in vain in your post for a reference to a 'serious Biblical scholar' that would correct the historical events described by Gibbon. Re: your obsession with Gibbon. If you go search to past posts you will see that I mention that while some conflicts between earlier Christian group m...

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* This means the Bible needs interpretation and external sources to decide which verses one chooses to follow. This fact has led to the division and not this consensus you keep referring to. you still don't get "a lot more in common than differences" "More consensus than discord"...

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you deleted nothing, so that's one big LIE right there

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on the subject of infallibility, interesting how the Quran's infallibility has certainly been questioned, especially with this oldest of Qurans. http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/199901/koran

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sorry, I missed Valk's thread. However the article suggests more than dialectic differences. In the article Andrew Rippin is quoted: " Their variant readings and verse orders are all very significant. Everybody agrees on that. These manuscripts say that the early history of the Koranic text is ...

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Shafique, if you read the article you would see that I was paraphrasing what is stated there and what is stated some observations of the Quran. And again it is a bit obvious that the experts are referring to more than different dialects. The other link cites the same things that the article states b...

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Re: comments on the Sana'a manuscripts, I agree with you in that there isn't specific info to reference on the what exactly the significant open questions the author is referring to. There isn't much info on the studies of the Sana'a manuscripts in general since I understand it's still an ongoing st...

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I think the issue of the "universality" of the Bible has been discussed here several times. God is merciful to all, God knows the true nature of people's heart, he is a father who disapproves at times and admonishes but regardless he loves ALL of his children no matter what - salvation is ...

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2.62 clearly states that provided non-Muslims do not commit the sin of worshiping another God, believe in accountability of actions and do good works - then they will have their reward with God and have nothing to fear. if they have nothing to fear why the: "3:85 And whoever seeks a religion o...

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Freza, Being among the losers means that they won't get the full rewards that those obedient servants of God will get - if you reject the message of God and present another religion, then this will not be given precedent. what are those "full rewards"? Can you be more specific as to the m...

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Do you agree that this is not a contradiction then - as you are asking another question now? No. The Quran says we cannot have any real concept of what the after-life will be like, but it gives us similitudes only - eg. it will be like gardens with rivers etc. beautiful virgins etc. The Islamic con...

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Shafique, I see that you're still interpreting things your way, cuz in your mind your viewpoints are the only ones that should count which means, logic is out of the question. I don't understand how you can not get it: you should not take every single sentence in the Bible literally, it's not meant ...

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Obama and Hillary are tokens in more ways than one. they're around to give hope to those people that believe the US government can "change" significantly anytime soon and on the basis of one individual. ha! as if. the republicans will not give up all their power or quest for it that easily...

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your memory is not the only thing that has been "going".... This is clearly a case of lost in ancient Greek translation. No contradiction, not if you look at the correct translation. Have you? Here's a word per word analysis: http://net.bible.org/verse.php?book=Act&chapter=22&verse...

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freza, I think you are missing the whole point of this thread. (Oh and welcome back.) oh, I got what this thread was about. ebonics stated that he did not think the Bible contained violent verses and challenged me 3 times to quote from the scripture. Hence this thread and hence the title. ANYONE ca...

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Sticks and stones.. :) huh? you mean being called "biased" is offensive? hhmma bit sensitive, aren't you? You choose which verses of the Bible to interpret literally, and so do I. So what is the fuss? nope, it doesn't work that way. "I" personally do not choose what to interpret...

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Actually the reason why I like NetBible is because it does include several different versions of the Bible including the King James version (did you notice that KJV was there??? and did you read the word analysis on it?) And of course I read the commentary - the commentary does not at all support yo...

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Shafique, What does what I personally (well, along with quite many others) think about the JW have to do with the true interpretation of the Bible? Well besides the fact that the JW do not interpret it correctly? Random House Dictionary defines cult as the following: "6. a religion or sect cons...

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Shafique, The words in question clearly have other meanings which have been used before in the Bible with their alternate meanings. How can you have missed this so obviously??? you're like a blind man who's blind because he refuses to see!!! hopeless! To hear a sound and to hear the voice of God are...

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Shafique, I have talked about JW's "beliefs" before and I have pointed out very serious issues. It's not my fault that you seem to suffer from Alzheimer's and can't remember it. What's the difference...aaahh, well about 2,000 years of history compared to less than 200 years. Not much, righ...

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what do you consider a personal insult nucle?

I'm only stating the truth, uncomfortable maybe, but not an insult. besides, Shafique likes it, it makes him want to save more souls.

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revisiting.... 'Never accepted of him' means exactly what it says - God will not accept another religion above Islam and 'they will be among the losers' means exactly what it says 'at the day of judgment these will be among those who will be rewarded less'. So 'full rewards' means the maximum reward...

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So, instead of addressing the contradictions you question my motives. Hmm. say what?? oh child plz . I've been addressing your conjectures, even though nothing gets through you, I've still addressed them. and I love innovations! I enjoy reading material that sheds "new light" and controve...

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freza - the theologian comes up with an explanation for the contradiction, but agrees that the translations I posted are accurate. In a nutshell the argument is 'did not hear' does not mean the opposite of 'did hear' - but rather means 'did hear, but did not understand'. Also the quote from Mat 13....

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Wow, talk about taking things out of context! Sorry Shafique but you can not use errors to back up your allegations of supposed errors. The bona fide Bible scholar that I quoted explained that akouo has several meanings, and presented examples of this fact...which you proceeded to ignore. but here i...

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The Quran itself - as I stated before, the Quran is internally consistent and does not contain contradictions. The Quran itself says there are clear verses and metaphoric ones: The Quran also says that the after life will be 'like nothing we can imagine' - and also says in a few places that the des...

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