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one thing that always bothered me is that dogs are labelled "najis" by muslims - the fatwa i read specified that dogs are najis unless they're there to guide or herd other animals. but dogs arent allowed under the fatwa's rule as pets.... not sure why, is the fatwa made up, or does the qur...

ebonics

ebonics - nostradamus didn't claim to be a prophet of God. According to Deut 18 - only true prophets who make prophecies in the name of God have the prophecies come true. I know you don't believe in the Bible, but that is what it says. As for Moses and Muhammad, pbuh - in two important aspects they...

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according to al jazeera this morning - fitna is now officially on the internet.. http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/1C1B22DF-3003-4AEC-BC18-4BAB75154F47.htm The film shows a young girl in a headscarf being asked about Jews this footage is already on youtube, and i linked to it in a previous thre...

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jews dont consider jesus or christians evil.

as such i dont see the point in your comparison?

ebonics

shafique, i believe muslims around the world regard muhammad as a great leader and they like to mirror his life, thats where the term "sunna" comes from, mirroring muhammad's life.. would you agree that mirroring his life, coupled with severe under education would be the cause of this: htt...

ebonics

my god i just watched it....

it is a LOT worse than what i thought it would be.

recommended viewing, but very very graphic..

ebonics

ebonics - yes Muhammad, pbuh, is considered a model for all Muslims. No, the examples you showed are of people not following Islam. I'm surprised at your last argument that Islam condones s.e.x outside of marriage. I think you have some valid arguments, but when you post arguments like this it disc...

ebonics

why would they label something that shoudl be treated kindly as najis?

if it snuck into your house and made it najis, should it be punished?

ebonics

i also urge anyone that finds the link to it, to not post it here.

ebonics

thats not in line with the imams fatwa ruling regarding dogs.. and seeing that you're not an imam shafique, im more inclined to follow the imam as what the majority muslims accept as fact. najis in literal meaning is "unpure" or "unclean" in a physical sense rather than spiritual.

ebonics

You will excuse me if I choose to believe all the translations of the verse which all say 'marry'. I'm happy to look at any evidence you can show - perhaps now the word used in the Quran has a different colloquial meaning - I don't know as I don't speak Arabic. Islam is pretty clear about the sanct...

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i agree it will not change any muslim's mind. but it will make none muslims very weary how a large portion of muslims see them, and under which light. and weather or not the verses, are literal or not, the proof is - it produces literal reactions and acts from the muslim community against none musli...

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right, Some Arab-Islamic sources also call it nekah al-estebza’. Estebza’ means sexual gratification seeking. For example Sahih Bokhari quotes a legend about Aysheh, the Prophet’s wife, in which he regards nekah al-estebza’ as one form of sexual relations in the pre-Islamic times (jahelia’). See F. ...

ebonics

:) No Imam, to my knowledge, says we should be cruel to dogs. This is the point - we need to be kind to animals and this is what Islam teaches. I don't see what is confusing you. Yes, they are considered unclean because they shed hairs, drool etc - but dogs are still kept as pets by many Muslims - ...

ebonics

Ok, we agree Islam doesn't advocate cruelty towards animals. Whenever my kids go to a petting zoo, they always wash their hands afterwards. It's called basic hygiene. This is quite good advice, is it not? Cheers, Shafique of course it is. you seem to still miss my point why is the dog najis, and ca...

ebonics

i actually take offence to calling me a liar, ask any arabic speaker what does "neek", "neyaka" , "nak" - which is used heavily in egyptian, lebanese dialects, all mean.... they all derive from the same word, that i repeat, the LITERAL meaning thereof is the act of s.e....

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the primary meaning according to quran, is marriage.... prior to that, was not. shafique for a none arabic speaker you're arguing for the sake of argueing now. it literarly means to sleep with, in the quran it means to marry and have marital affairs with - but as a word, it is considered a dirty wor...

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The movie is an important step for the western world. We must realize, that Islam will always fight for world domination, and the western world needs to fight against that by all means and with all available force. Islam is an evil religion, which is penetrating our society. In future each terroris...

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ebonics

do you want to explain to me why a christian priest is not allowed to use that same word if spoken about the quran? instead he just uses silence when reading it out? if you want an example thereof, i will endevour to find you one. i stand my ground that its not a socially accepted word, and its not ...

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shafique after having to go through other people to acutally type the word for me in arabic so i can search it in arabic http://www.islamlight.net/index.php?option=com_ftawa&task=view&Itemid=0&catid=350&id=4000 here you go... this is a question, from a muslim, asking if he can "...

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i hope this conversation is over, because im getting tired speaking to a none native arabic speaker about my own native language. i will repeat that im not accusing the quran of refering to the word as s.e.x out of marriage, and i DO ADMIT it is referring to marriage. but prior to the quran, that ex...

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another

using the same word

http://www.hwazn.com/vb/showthread.php?t=78328

this one now referring to animals.. the ruling on beastiality....

i also believe no one is going to MARRY an animal.. or do you think otherwise shafique?

ebonics

http://www.ejabh.com/arabic_article_40922.html another, talking about a hadith, where muhammad said, if you masturbate, its like you "nakah't omak" - or "had s.e.x with your mum" then it goes and discusses if this hadith is accurate or not... and the ruling is there was no hadith...

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ebonics - I quoted from a lexicon, you have given no other proof. I await the comments of other Arabic speakers as to whether they think 'ankihoo' is a dirty word or not. Nikah is not a dirty word - it is what all Muslims call the marriage ceremony. I can't see how the imperative form of this word ...

ebonics

shafique i cited 3 examples of practical use of the word 1 to have s.e.x. with your hand 2 to have s.e.x. with an animal 3 to have s.e.x. with your mother none of them the word marry would be suitable. - so the literal meaning is the act of having s.e.x. but could referred to as marrying a women, an...

ebonics

freza wrote:
EDIT: off the subject a bit, but I just read:
talking about a hadith, where muhammad said, if you masturbate, its like you "nakah't omak" - you "had s.e.x with your mum"
is it true?

according to the link no...

ebonics

lane's lexicon shafique is a compiled book, made by the british, in 1842... the credibility of that in my eyes, is ZILCH it compiled or should i say plagarised other books into one - ill let you assess the accuracy of that book based on that information, yourself. to me reading that page does show m...

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Following threats to our staff of a very serious nature, and some ill informed reports from certain corners of the British media that could directly lead to the harm of some of our staff, *****.com has been left with no other choice but to remove Fitna from our servers. This is a sad day for freedo...

ebonics

so far you established that "nekah" is used in the marital sense primarily, and can be used referring to marital relations, when speaking about non marital matters. i established the complete opposite, it is the act of having s.e.x. and can be used when referred to marital relations so far...

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