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according to shafique, and muslims, it is the "literal" word of god.. like god spoke those words, exactly how they are, and they got documented after muhammad read them, and relayed them to people that can write. im saying that muhammad's history prior to that, doesnt suggest that he'd be ...

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someone paid her off.

The primary source of preservation is the word-perfect memorisation of thousands of Muslims (now millions of Muslims). So, the integrity of the Quran is based on the assumption of people perfectly remembering the Quran instead of a written version? muhammad himself, supposedly memorised it sura by ...

can i just say eating horse in france was one of the best steaks i ever had.


i yearn for another horse steak.

another case where common sense prevails


i wouldnt accept a womaniser as a prophet, regardless of who says what.

shafique wrote:Sorry, I'm not sure I understand. Can you perhaps give me an example from say the life of Moses or Jesus when you say 'witness' or 'prove'.

jesus raised dead shafique

he was raised from the dead

jesus' body isnt on this earth, muhammads is... what else proof do you want?

As for the 'womaniser' comment - I take it that anyone who has more than one wife cannot be a prophet in your eyes. Fair enough - but that would rule out Abraham as a prophet for one (and not to mention Solomon and David). Do you really believe these weren't prophets? the only prophets in the true ...

drive down SZR, count how many lit up windows there are at 9pm in every building.


under supply. yea right.

why do none jewish westerners get labeled "kafirs" by muslim clerics?

and why do jews get labelled monkeys and pigs?

So, let us see - so far we have established: 1. Muhammad, pbuh, declared himself a prophet of God 2. Muhammad, pbuh, made prophecies in the name of God 3. Said prophecies came true. 4. Muhammad, pbuh, performed miracles so far you have established the above, we havent established squat. he declared...

God's opinion is clearly stated in the Quran - what are you confused about? OK, I'm confused I admit. Concubines and se x slaves are acceptable or not? yes they are, the quran clearly says "and whatever their right hand posesses" in arabic, "wa malakat aymanohom." one of the mos...

God's opinion is clearly stated in the Quran - what are you confused about? OK, I'm confused I admit. Concubines and se x slaves are acceptable or not? The Quran is quite clear on this - s. e. x outside of marriage is a sin. shafique, explain "whatever their right hand posses" or "wa...

personally, IF you believe that the quran is the literal word of god, do you believe that god would say such a thing?


logic says no ....

shafique says yes ....


i chose logic.

my disecting of the quran is yielding that aisha, admitted on several occasions, that the quran's been re-worded... it took me hard streneous research to find out such information, bounded by the censorship of etisalat.. when i air it out here, you'll do what you did with the hadith that sparked my ...

my disecting of the quran is yielding that aisha, admitted on several occasions, that the quran's been re-worded... it took me hard streneous research to find out such information, bounded by the censorship of etisalat.. when i air it out here, you'll do what you did with the hadith that sparked my...

shafique wrote:

ebonics wrote:why do none jewish westerners get labeled "kafirs" by muslim clerics?

To my knowledge non-Jewish westerners who are muslim are called 'Muslim'.


Cheers,
Shafique

playing smart again shafique


none jewish & none muslim westerners..

You seem to be ignoring the facts here. I hear an echo. :D Seriously Shafique, didn't you feel a little weird writing this line? OK, so to run down the factoids. Aisha was a tiny child when the old man started desiring her and 9 years old when the marriage was consummated. You excuse this act becau...

Thanks ebonics. As I said in my first post, this thread is about whether Muhammad, pbuh, meets the criteria of prophethood contained in the Bible. The answer is yes. If you (or freza) disagree, please post the relevant criteria from the Bible and show why Muhammad, pbuh, does not meet these. ill co...

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so i wake up, have a quick peer from my window, cops are downstairs fining everyone thats parked illegally (WOO HOO) then a tow truck rocks up, mounts the first car on, a brand spanking new S500 with the plastic covers on its seat still.. you'd think the tow track's taking it and leaving now....... ...

merc down, 3 other buggies to go.... i wish i had my camera to film this

ill correct you again, the answer is yes to you, and no to me and freza...... refer to the blind by faith comment. I thought that you didn't believe in following the Bible (and in any case the Coptic Bible has more books than the one freza uses). It is quite instructive though that neither you nor ...

you're correct in me following no bible, you're compltely incorrect in assuming that muhammad has prophet like qualities - he's far from it, as i already said in the start of the thread, regardless of who says what.... because yet again, common sense prevails. So, whilst Muhammad, pbuh, meets Bibli...

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ebonics, Sorry, I didn't see a quote from the Bible in your post. So do you agree that the Bible isn't compatible with your view of 'common sense'? Cheers, Shafique and sorry i dont see the point that you're trying to make to yourself, that makes 0 sense... you're making claims that the bible says ...

them fightin words

shafique wrote:I don't see how you can argue Muhammad, pbuh, does not meet Biblical criteria without referring to the Bible.

Is there a flaw in my logic?

ill let you answer your own question.....

wow didnt see that outcome coming
if you would go back, would you rather rent it and save yourself the headache, or would you do it all again?

If a Prophet claims to be from God, makes prophecies in the name of God and that prophecy comes true, according to Deut 18 do we not have to accept him as a true prophet? so if someone came up to you and went: behold shafique, for i am a prophet from God i prophecise that you will sleep tonight and...

ill paste this again just for the records sakes - which basically shows the muslim way of twisting things to satisfy their agenda... What It Means To Be Prophet Like Unto Moses There are five outstanding characteristics that have to be met. The Bible teaches that Moses is different than all the othe...