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Knight, you still don't want to mention the original problem: illegal occupation. You still blaim the boy. The occupation is illegal. Its resistance by men, women and children is legitimate. It is unfair to ask the boy to seek a natural life under occupation. The French, British and other Europeans ...

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Knight, occupation of Gaza, the entire West Bank and East Jerusalem is illegal. This is a simple and straightforward fact. there are a number of UN resolutions that were never reinforced. A solution based on ending the occupation of these territorries together with fairly addressing the refugees' ri...

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A serious debate is not possible with you. Whenever I see a good point (e.g., a previous point by Knight) I am able to say I agree with that.

Your arrogance, however, does not allow you to do so. Don't call this a serious debate.

And don't talk about conducting oneself!

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I've edited my other posts too, because it's not worth posting.

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Liban, I agree with what you say. However, I would suggest to save your time and energy. "They" will never, ever, ever, acknowledge that we rights of any sort. Knight, your elegent speech cannot hide a great deal of arrogance and fundamentalism. You even failed to agree with me on a soluti...

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Chocoholic wrote:Of course in an ideal world it should matter and all these people should learn to live together.

Live together as human beeings who all have rights and dignity, or live together after giving up parts of Egypt, all Jordan, parts of Saudi Arabia and parts of Iraq?

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I was very reasonable, by speaking of a 2-nation solution. I haven't heard anyone of you agreeing even to the principle.

Instead, you talk about giving up the other countries. Read my posts, and find out that there is no arrogance.

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Choco, I believe in all books of good. I believe in the Torah and the Bible. I believe also in all Prophets of God. I believe in Prophet Moses and prophet Jesus. I believe that Jesus is the Messiah, and Jesus (not my own prophet) is the one who will return to the world to save us all. Having said th...

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Therefore can other people not feel the same way about the Koran? I have never denied you the right to do that. In our previous discussions (about the dress code) I was only trying explain what we believe in, and that we are happy with it. By no means was I trying to convince you that you should ha...

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And fair enough of your opinion, however you seriously think there's no truth in it even though the Israelites were making their way to the promised land 2,000 years ago? Of course I believe in the story that happened 2000 years ago. I am totally with Moses and those who believed in him, and totall...

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I was talking of a 2-state solution, remember, not a 1-state solution. Besides, how that what happened 2000 years ago reflects the political situation today is interpretation, not the original text. Please refer to Liban's post on this issue.

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Moreover, it is you who never agreed on a 2-state solution. So, where's your acceptance of the right for Palastenians to have their own state.

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Again, where's your acceptance that the Palastenians have the right in a state of their own?

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I repeat the question to Chocoholic, Dubai Knight and Arniegang. Do you think the Palastenians have the right in an independent country of their own?

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Of course they're entitled to a place of their own, but does it really have to be the same place? You just keep avoiding the question which means you're not willing to answer it. I recently went the St Catherine's Monastery in Egypt on Mount Sinai. 22 Grrek Orthodox Monks live there and it's open t...

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Knight, your elegent speech cannot hide a great deal of arrogance and fundamentalism. You even failed to agree with me on a solution based on 2 countries living side by side. So don't under-estimate my inteligence, and don't think you are superiour by speaking about debate. Arnie, I know what arrog...

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Dubai Knight wrote:Anyone on this forum who has met me and knows me will tell you, you are making false accusation!

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I'm looking forward to meeting you! You'll be also surprised when you meet me.

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MS I totally accept that the Palastinians have a right to a home and a country or state. Everyone on this earth should have that right. But from my limited point of view, maybe its time for people to "move on". I dont see why the Arab Nations cannot resolve this amongst themselves, to eve...

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Both sides have to make compromises to live happily ever after. It is not fair to ask one party to give up everything. It is impossible for any arab leader to convince his people to give up East Jerusalem.

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I am not opposed to a 2 nation state at all...however it would seem that the Palestinians and the Isrealis are...so back to square one. The fundamental differences between the two different peoples here will never allow a peaceful solution in the current climate. The argument is over the actual pie...

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Dubai Knight wrote:The Coptic Church in Egypt has managed to do it for many centuries.

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You have to look at this both ways. Egypt became dominantly Muslim, and was ruled by Muslims ever since Islam entered Egypt. Muslims have managed to resepect the Coptic Church for all these centuries.

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I am fed up with both sides not being able to solve their problems and take more aggressive steps to live in peace together. The Israel/Palestine conflict is one of the root causes for anger and separation between Muslim and non-Muslim countries because it seems that countries are lining up on diff...

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arniegang wrote:Nice post K

As far as I can see this post differs fundamentally from what you have been saying !!???!!!

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Liban, I totally agree with what you say. As I (and you) have said, the Arab leaders are willing to go for a 2-state solution and recognize Israel. This was rejected. Also you can't count much on the justice of governments. What shocked me is the position of ordinary Westerners. Many of them (at lea...

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Kanelli, Great post. MS, of course I agree with the 2 state idea. Lionheart, I simply asked MS a simple question which he failed time and again to answer and just blanked it everytime, so therefore there is simply no acknowledgement of understanding of what I'm. Plus why should the Koran be untaint...

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MS, Thank you so much for taking the time to answer my questions, I very much appreciate it as it helps me understand where you're coming from and now I have a much better idea at understanding your point of view, which of course is valid and justified. No problem Chocs. It's too bad that our first...

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sharewadi, there is a huge difference between being against Western domination and being anti-Western.

Yes, we are against Western domination. We should live together in peace and harmony. However, we have the right to protect our own interests and push our own agenda ....without hurting others.

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