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Thanks a lot for those who replied.

Just as Muslims living in the West are expected to respect the Western way of life, Westerns living in an Islamic environment should respect the Islamic way of life. This is our way of life: we cuddle only privately. Yes, it is natural ...only when done privately. This is our way of life, it's as si...

Choco, the couple might have been tourists, in a hotel and not knowing the culture. Sure, I have no problem with that. But, I'm talking in general. You say Dubai is open for tourists and should accept the tourists' culture. No, tourists should know the place they are visiting and be prepared to acce...

Choco ...you changed the subject. Yes, a hug could be natural. Even a kiss could be natural. The original post was talking about cuddling in a swimming pool. The impression is thus not just a simple hug or a kiss on the cheek or forehead. All I was saying is that there is a cultural difference betwe...

I promised not to post anything else on the (cuddling in the swimming pool) subject. So this post is on the s.e.x object issue. Islam has 2 sources: the Qur'an and the tardition of the Prophet (peace be upon him). Both are the sources of Islam. Many issues that are briefly mentioned in the Qr'an are...

There is no double standard. Men and women have to be modest in their dress. Men and women are different in nature though. The whole body of a woman is attractive, and has to be covered. Men have to cover from their belly button to their knees, and what they wear should not be revealing and not tigh...

By the way Liban. Who is the cute little girl on your picture?

She didn't need to cover up though

When is this gonna stop. Yes, you got it wrong sharewadi. Nobody is disrespecting those women (Muslim or not) who choose not to cover up. Nobody is entitled to judge them. But where's your respect to Muslim women who choose to follow their religion's guidelines and cover up. Why do you keep insultin...

Yes, that's the point. There is no problem whatsoever with them (Christians and Jews) covering up. You have to admit though, there is some sort of religous belief involved. The personal choice is definitely about wether to follow religion or not. Again, nobody is to blame. OK, I backtrack on the ins...

Also I disagree with you on the men forcing women to cover up. In 90% of cases it is enforced by the families and husbands and has zero to do with the womans personal choice. If a woman chooses to cover herslf as a sign of respect for her religion then fine, I accept that. But in the majority of ca...

K, because he's a guy! And a guy who obviously reinforces these things, so how can he possibly understand our perspective. Now you start judging. You don't even know me. You don't even know if I'm married or not. Anyway, I'll comfort you. Yes, I'm a guy. But I respect women to the most extent. I re...

One more thing. I want you to go back and read all my posts. I challenge you to find a single post where I criticized women who do not cover up. It is you guys who critisize Muslim women who cover up. It is my posiiton to defend them. Just to clarify things again, I have nothing against not covering...

Men slow down their cars and try to get my attention. Okay, I was alone - but it isn't feasible to have my husband with me at all times! The fact remains that I am still considered a possible whore because of my genetics (a.k.a Western looking), not because of my dress. I agree, this is terrible. T...

MS, none of us said that you are criticising women who do not cover up. Liban was criticising them. Even though you don't put pressure on family members to cover up, that doesn't mean that other people don't do it. I know a Muslim man who recently got married and he is now clamping down on what his...

MS Define "discussion" Discussion is between two (or more) people with possibly different opinions trying to reach a conclusion that makes everybody happy. Arnie, don't focus only on checking if "we" understand what discussion means. Also think about "your" own society...

I would also disagree with arnie with respect. I also did not mean to patronize you, arnie. When I mentioned it's not about clothing I had this in mind. I was riding the Toronto subway and reading a widely read newspaper. I came across an article that was trying to explain what singles need to do if...

I agree that we have different values, this is what I have been trying to say all along.

I wasn't talking about s.e.xual partners (whether I agree with that or not), I am talking about having s.e.x with a total stranger just for the sake of having s.e.x.

This is a general comment. It is almost impossible to convince somebody to change their values/way of life. I thought this forum could help us understand each other more. Yes, I mean understand, not transform. I thought if we understand each other more, we could be more comfortable living together (...

arniegang wrote:What is the difference between a western woman choosing to sleep with a guy on a first date, and a Muslim/Arab man going to a night club to shag or in paying to shag a western girl for the night?

there is no difference ...

Dubai Knight wrote:Its only because they kicked us out of their country before we could fully educate them!

To use the fully Oxford English terminology: Bum!

wahahahahahahahahahha ....

Then you have answered your own question, now qustion the morals and values of individuals within your your own faith with respect . I am criticizing the shortcomings of my society, and of indivuduals of my own faith. I have done that several times in my posts. I have also mentioned what I like abo...

Fair enough arniegang.

In any case, the main purpose of the dialogue is to understand our differences and ways of life more, not to point to the shortcomings.

Sure.

I also hope that you understood our values, and that in the future you will not think it is ridiculous to condemn public cuddling.

I thought the lesson is that occupation is bad. Is it that difficult? Or do you need London to be occupied and tanks roaming freely in its streets and meeting your kids on their way to school to really understand it?

Of course I would like to see a metal detector in my own country that is governed and protected by its own people. However, I wouldn't want to see foreign tanks in my country's streets. I think you know that there is nothing in the whole world that justifies occupation (like the military occupation ...

Very smart of you counting the posts, Concord. Maybe it was too difficult for you to count the people who contributed to the posts though. 6 people: 2 ladies who don't like to cover up, 1 guy who doesn't like women to cover up, 2 guys who try to defend their faith and try to make you understand anot...

It is mere arrogance not to apologize because the Roman's didn't.

The way you look at the conflict is skewed. You blame the boy and not the tank. This tank is not here to protect the boy. The tank is here to reinforce an illegal occupation. This illegal occupation is the source of the problem.

Regarding people, not a single generation is to blame. Politicians, however, need to apologize for the bad things that happened in the past. At least condemn them. I agree that the tank driver is probably a victim too. But, I am not a victim of any propaganda machine. Different kinds of people have ...

I agree with your post to a big extent, Knight.


MS

Dubai Knight wrote:However, are they listening to you or I?



Knight

Unfortunately, no.