What Would JC Do With A Koran, Or, In Defense Of TJ

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What would JC do with a Koran, or, in defense of TJ Sep 11, 2010
What Would Jesus Do with a Qur'an? Actually, He Might Burn It

These over-the-top screeds of victimization are making Reverend Jones appear more and more sympathetic. Burning a Qur'an is "tantamount to war?!" Doing so would "humiliate" 1.5 billion people? Jones is a "criminal" and "liar?" At this point, one could argue that Jones should go through with the burning of some Qur'ans just to demonstrate that 1) an American has First Amendment rights independent of threats and rent-a-mobs in the Middle East and South Asia; and 2) a Christian does not have to abide by the politically correct shibboleth that the Qur'an is a holy book. Most media analysts do not give this second point the justice it deserves, bending over backwards as they do (almost as far as the Obama Administration) to present the Islamic perspective in a positive light.


Reverend Dr. Terry Jones has said that he would hold plans to burn Qur’ans in abeyance pending a decision on whether he could meet with Imam Feisal Abdul Ra’uf, the man behind the proposed Ground Zero “Cordoba” Mosque, to discuss abandoning, or at least moving, that mosque. According to Jones, he was promised such a meeting by Imam Muhammad Musri, head of the Islamic Society of Central Florida; Musri disagrees.

Whoever is correct, the much more important issue is the violent petulance with which many Muslims around the world are responding to an event which has not even happened yet! According to AP:

*An Indonesian Muslim cleric said that “whether or not he burns the Quran, Jones had already hurt the heart of the Muslim world. If he'd gone through with it, it would have been tantamount to war,” the cleric said in the coastal town of Lhokseumawe. “A war that would have rallied Muslims all over the world.”

*President Hamid Karzai, of Afghanistan, said “Humiliation of the holy book represents the humilation of our people.”

*Hamas’ leader, Isma’il Haniyah, said referred to Reverend Jones as “this criminal, this liar, this crazy priest who reflects a crazy Western attitude toward Islam and the Muslim nation.”

These over-the-top screeds of victimization are making Reverend Jones appear more and more sympathetic. Burning a Qur’an is “tantamount to war?!” Doing so would “humiliate” 1.5 billion people? Jones is a “criminal” and “liar?” At this point, one could argue that Jones should go through with the burning of some Qur’ans just to demonstrate that 1) an American has First Amendment rights independent of threats and rent-a-mobs in the Middle East and South Asia; and 2) a Christian does not have to abide by the politically correct shibboleth that the Qur’an is a holy book. Most media analysts do not give this second point the justice it deserves, bending over backwards as they do (almost as far as the Obama Administration) to present the Islamic perspective in a positive light.

As a Christian, I do not accept that Muhammad received revelation from God, for many reasons (most of which would require a separate, and much longer, column), most saliently that he and his “revelation” deny (in Sura 4:157) the key doctrine of my, and 2.3 billion other Christians’, faith: the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ, the Son of God, to atone for the entire human race’s sins. That does not mean Christians should run out to buy a Qur’an and toss it into the fireplace—but neither does it mean that we have to pay Muslim-mandated obeisance to its alleged “holiness,” either.

And contra the alleged “hate-mongering” of conservative radio, I have heard a number of AM talk show hosts, and their callers, the past few days disparaging Reverend Jones for his “un-Christ-like” attitude—stating for certain that “Jesus would never burn a Qur’an.” Actually, since it denies the key element of His role in the universe—His crucifixion and resurrection—I think He might very well approve of burning at least THAT part of the Qur’an; I also doubt that Jesus would have any problem with consigning to the flames the ayahs in Islamic scriptures that mandate attacking non-Muslims (Surah 9:5ff), beheading them (Surah 47:3 and 8:12) and beating one’s wives (Surah 4:34)—just to name a few of the more egregious passages. Furthermore, Jesus cursed and killed a fig tree that was not bearing fruit (Matthew 21:18ff; Mark 11:12ff) and ran money-lenders out of the Temple with a whip (John 2:15)—so, as G.K. Chesterton ably points out in The Everlasting Man (pp. 190-91), the “meek and mild Jesus” of popular imagination is NOT the only facet of His personality. Reverend Terry Jones is certainly not Jesus, but even a fundamenalist Pentecostal clock is right twice a day.

http://hnn.us/blogs/78.html

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Re: What would JC do with a Koran, or, in defense of TJ Sep 11, 2010
Well, historically, Christian authorities did actually go round burning the gospel books of other Christian denominations as well as the other Christians themselves.. so it is not surprising that a minority of the faith think that burning the Quran is even remotely excusable.

It is a shame that these guys are still living in the past (an accusation loons are so quick to accuse others of!)

Historical note: three centuries after Jesus, the church in a series of councils had to choose which versions of the Bible were 'the truth' and which were 'heretical'. Constantine, for example, called the Council of Nicea in 325CE to decide on the issue whether Jesus was wholly God or not - i.e. whether Trinity was something Jesus taught or not. Arius (see Arianism) lost that debate, was declared a heretic, but then later un-declared and welcomed back into the fold.

Many, many books of the Bible were burnt as well as many heretics.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_heresy

The loon pastor, and loons in general, seem to enjoy living in the past!

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Re: What would JC do with a Koran, or, in defense of TJ Sep 12, 2010
shafique wrote:Historical note: three centuries after Jesus, the church in a series of councils had to choose which versions of the Bible were 'the truth' and which were 'heretical'.


Wrong.

for example, called the Council of Nicea in 325CE to decide on the issue whether Jesus was wholly God or not


Not sure how this is even related to book burning. Dropping random historical 'facts' for the sake of trying to sound like you know what you're talking about?

i.e. whether Trinity was something Jesus taught or not. Arius (see Arianism) lost that debate, was declared a heretic, but then later un-declared and welcomed back into the fold.


From the person who told us Jesus was the author of the epistle of James. I guess highlighting unrelated bits of history is one way of saving face. Even if the random bits are disparate and factually wrong.
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eh - check your history books, they burnt books after the Council of Nicea of 325 AD:

"Only two Egyptian bishops, Theonas and Secundus, persistently refused to sign, and were banished with Arius to Illyria. The books of Arius were burned and his followers branded as enemies of Christianity."
Schaff's History of the Christian Church, Volume III, Nicene and Post-Nicene Christianity,.
http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/hcc3.iii.xii.iv.html

Any other misunderstandings you'd like me to clear up for you?

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Historical note: three centuries after Jesus, the church in a series of councils had to choose which versions of the Bible were 'the truth' and which were 'heretical'.


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Re: What Would JC Do With A Koran, Or, In Defense Of TJ Sep 13, 2010
An excellent summary of your loony views, eh: 'wrong'

I trust you're not going to try and re-write Christian history of the canonisation of the Bible and the burning of 'heretical' gospels?

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