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The European Atrocity You Never Heard About Jul 02, 2012
I for one really haven't heard of this before and pretty horrible if true. :?

Between 1945 and 1950, Europe witnessed the largest episode of forced migration, and perhaps the single greatest movement of population, in human history. Between 12 million and 14 million German-speaking civilians—the overwhelming majority of whom were women, old people, and children under 16—were forcibly ejected from their places of birth...........by order of the United States and Britain as well as the Soviet Union, nearly two years after the declaration of peace.


http://chronicle.com/article/The-Europe ... ewMobile=0

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DDS - this is indeed something I hadn't heard about either.

In many history books and documentaries, the movement of people after partition of India and Pakistan is termed the greatest human migration in history - but that is estimated at 12.5m.

I've read through the article linked to above and also had a look at the Amazon listing for the book by Douglas:
http://www.amazon.com/Orderly-Humane-Ex ... 0300166605

It looks very much like it is indeed on the level - an academic investigation resulting in the 'first telling' of this episode in recent history that has pretty much been white washed out of popular conscienceness it seems.

I found this picture particularly poignant:
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An estimated 500,000 people died in the course of the organized expulsions; survivors were left in Allied-occupied Germany to fend for themselves


The discussion about the reluctance to highlight this historical event because it might somehow lessen the atrocity of the Nazi atrocities which happened before these expulsions is interesting. I agree with Douglas that highlighting other moral outrages does not lessen the earlier atrocities at all.

But I can see why, with photos like that above, why some would have this concern. 'We' don't want to even think that 'our side' could result in suffering like that.

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As they say, history is written by the victors and the chapter for WWII in the victors version leads everything to the Nuremberg Trials and it ends at that, and this whole episode is skipped as aftermath.
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^Agreed.

One of the comments on the article mentioned this History Channel documentary which does talk about the expulsions:
http://www.amazon.com/Last-Days-World-H ... B0001XARMW

Looks interesting.

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With all due respect to your discovery, I have already mentioned this here.. dubai-chat/how-save-the-airlines-t51101.html#p412589

political zionism was behind forced german expulsion as well. zionist rothschilds and their supporting world zionist movement's congresmen were also perpetrators of communism, also behind bolsheviks and red army..

There was only one target of forcing European ethnicities into their new nation countries was to create "league of nations" for creating UN, for world dominance as of one world governance.(by the Zionist lead). This ambition has been admited both by Rothschilds and Rockefellers... With the start of 9/11 they were going to move into next step of new world order for citizens of the world by microchipping humans with RFID's in order to stop acting against their theories of world governance as they regard ordinary people as serfs.. But luckly it has been exposed..

1815: James & Nathan Rothschild order European rulers to assemble at the Congress of Vienna. The Rothschilds draft a plan that would make it impossible for another Napoleon to rise to power by creating a European "balance of power."

~Thus if one European nation became too powerful, the other nations would rally and attack it. This meant that a nation that the Jews considered their enemy, would undergo punitive measures from Jewish "pawns."

1848: Jews demand that the Gentiles turn over their property to them through the book The Communist Manifesto written by Rothschild-agent, Karl Marx.

1890: The largest munitions factory in the world, Vickers of England, is established by the Rothschilds. The stage is set for the Rothschild's engineering of World War I and all future wars.

1906: Guglielmo Marconi's invention of the radio is marketed and taken over by the Jew, David Sarnoff. Sarnoff establishes the Marconi Company in England and RCA in America. Thus begins the Jewish control of the media.

1910: Jews take over the office of Minister of Finance throughout Europe. Louis Klotz becomes Minister of Finance of France; Michael Luzzati of Italy; Bernhard Dernburg of Germany; Rufus Isaacs of England; and Djavid Bey of Turkey. All Jews.

1914: The Vickers Munitions Company, owned by the Rothschilds, engineers World War I.

1916: Germany is winning the war. Zionist Jew, Chaim Weizmann invents a deadly poisonous gas and promises England its use and American intervention if they will support Zionism. Prime Minister Lloyd George accepts the offer.

1917: Lord Balfour makes formal Lloyd George's capitulation to Weizmann in a letter to Lord Rothschild known as The Balfour Declaration. The Zionist theft of Arab lands is made "official."

1919: Jews insure Germany's humiliation with their Treaty of Versailles. The Jew Bernard Baruch advises Wilson at the conference. The Jew Phillip Sassoon, the Parliamentary Private Secretary, advises Lloyd George. The Jew, Georges Mandel, (aka Louis Rothschild), French Minister of the Interior, advises Georges Clemenceau.

http://www.realzionistnews.com/?p=140

1871: An American General named, Albert Pike, who had been enticed into the Illuminati by Guissepe Mazzini, completes his military blueprint for three world wars and various revolutions throughout the world, culminating into moving this great conspiracy into its final stage.

The first world war is to be fought for the purpose of destroying the Tsar in Russia,as promised by Nathan Mayer Rothschild in 1815. The Tsar is to be replaced with communism which is to be used to attack religions, predominantly Christianity. The differences between the British and German empires are to be used to forment this war.

The second world war is to be used to forment the controversy between facism and political zionism with the slaughter of Jews in Germany a lynchpin in bringing hatred against the German people. This is designed to destroy fascism (which the Rothschilds created) and increase the power of political zionism. This war is also designed to increase the power of communism to the level that it equalled that of united Christendom.

The third world war is to be played out by stirring up hatred of the Muslim world for the purposes of playing the Islamic world and the political zionists off against one another. Whilst this is going on, the remaining nations would be forced to fight themselves into a state of mental, physical, spiritual and economic exhaustion.

On August 15th of this year, Albert Pike writes a letter (now catalogued in the British Museum) to Guiseppe Mazzini in which he states the following,

"We shall unleash the nihilists and the atheists and we shall provoke a great social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to all nations the effect of absolute atheism; the origins of savagery and of most bloody turmoil.
Then everywhere, the people will be forced to defend themselves against the world minority of the world revolutionaries and will exterminate those destroyers of civilization and the multitudes disillusioned with Christianity whose spirits will be from that moment without direction and leadership and anxious for an ideal, but without knowledge where to send its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer brought finally out into public view.
A manifestation which will result from a general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and Atheism; both conquered and exterminated at the same time."

Pike, who having been elected as Sovereign Grand Commander of the Scottish Rite of Freemasonry's Southern Jurisdiction in 1859, was the most powerful Freemason in America. He would retain that post for 32 years until his death in 1891. He also published a book on the subject in 1872 entitled, "Morals and Dogma of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry," in which he candidly states the following,
"LUCIFER, the Light-bearer! Strange and mysterious name to give to the Spirit of Darknesss! Lucifer, the Son of the Morning! Is it he who bears the Light, and with its splendors intolerable blinds feeble, sensual or selfish Souls? Doubt it not!"
1872: Prior to Guiseppe Mazzini's death this year, he makes another revolutionary leader named Adrian Lemmy his successor. Lemmy will be subsequently succeeded by Lenin and Trotsky, then by Stalin. The revolutionary activities of all these men are financed by the Rothschilds.


1897: The Rothschilds found the Zionist Congress to promote Zionism (a political movement with the sole aim of moving all Jews into a singularly Jewish nation state) and arrange its first meeting in Munich. However due to extreme opposition from local Jews, who are quite happy where they are, this meeting has to be moved to Basle, Switzerland and takes place on 29 August. The meeting is chaired by Ashkenazi Jew, Theodor Herzl, who would state in his diaries,

"It is essential that the sufferings of Jews….become worse….this will assist in realization of our plans….I have an excellent idea….I shall induce anti-Semites to liquidate Jewish wealth….The anti-Semites will assist us thereby in that they will strengthen the persecution and oppression of Jews. The anti-Semites shall be our best friends."
Herzl is subsequently elected President of the Zionist Organisation which adopts the, "Rothschild Red Hexagram or Sign," as the Zionist flag which 51 years later will end up as the flag of Israel.
Edward Henry Harriman becomes a director of the Union Pacific Railroad and goes on to take control of the Southern Pacific Railroad. This is all financed by the Rothschilds.


The Rothschilds also use their control of the Bank of England to replace the method of shipping gold from country to country and instead used their five banks spread across Europe to set up a system of paper debits and credits, the banking system of today.

By the end of this century, a period of time that was known as the, "Age of the Rothschilds," it is estimated that the Rothschild family controlled half the wealth of the world.

However something that did not go well for the Rothschilds this year was the Congress of Vienna, which started in September, 1814 and concluded in June of this year. The reason for this Congress of Vienna, was for the Rothschilds to create a form of world government, to give them complete political control over much of the civilized world.

Many of the European governments were in debt to the Rothschilds, so they figured they could use that as a bargaining tool. However the Tsar Alexander I of Russia, who had not succumbed to a Rothschild central bank, would not go along with the plan, so the Rothschild world government plan failed.

Enraged by this, Nathan Mayer Rothschild swore that some day he or his descendants would destroy the Tsar Alexander I's entire family and descendants. Unfortunately he was true to his word and 102 years later Rothschild funded Bolsheviks would act upon that promise.

Interestingly, world government fanatic and Ashkenazi Jew, Henry Kissinger, did his doctoral dissertation on the Congress of Vienna.


http://www.iamthewitness.com/DarylBradf ... schild.htm


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^^^ Ignored, and rightfully so after reading the first two words " Political Zionism " because the rest is just going to be a repeat of previous jibberish.

Berrin life is already difficult on this forum as it is with all the infestations here without you interjecting every topic with your anti semitic conspiracy theories, so either give it a break or be expected to be treated like rest of the banned loons here. Just because you're a loon from "our" side don't expect any favourable treatement, not from me at least.
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^ditto from me.

Berrin, take time to consider why I genuinely did not know about this until I read DDS' post above. You did post about it, but it just didn't register.

On a slight tangent, I've always thought that the clever way to hide a real conspiracy is to create other conspiracy theories (that are easy to dismiss) to hide the real conspiracy. The 'reality' gets mixed up with the other conspiracies and all are dismissed by most people.

Back on topic.. there are two other books on the subject on Amazon:
http://www.amazon.com/Forgotten-Voices- ... gy_b_img_b
http://www.amazon.com/Terrible-Revenge- ... f_dp_shvl1

So it is an episode in history that well documented, just not that well known.

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Same here.

Berrin, you are ranting conspiracy theories on almost all topics here.
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Everyday realities match what we call conspiracy theories.. but we know they have been documented..

Sources

Holy Bible - King James Version

Proofs of a Conspiracy Against All the Religions and Governments of Europe Carried on in the Secret Meetings of Freemasons, Illuminati and Reading Societies - John Robison - 1798

The Life of Napolean - Sir Walter Scott - 1827

Coningsby - Benjamin Disraeli - 1844

The Communist Manifesto - Karl Marx, Friedrich Engels, Martin Malia - 1848

Morals and Dogma of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry - Albert Pike - 1872

The Rothschilds, Financial Rulers Of Nations - John Reeves - 1887

The Jews and Modern Capitalism - Werner Sombart - 1911

Great Britain, The Jews, and Palestine - Samuel Landman - 1936

Pawns In The Game - William Guy Carr - 1937

Inside The Gestapo - Hansjurgen Koehler - 1940

Barriers Down - Kent Cooper - 1942

The Mind Of Adolf Hitler - Walter Langer - 1943

The Empire Of The City - E. C. Knuth - 1946

The Jewish State - Theodor Herzl - 1946

The Curious History of the Six-Pointed Star - G. Scholem - 1949

Secrets Of The Federal Reserve - Eustace Mullins - 1952

Tales Of The British Aristocracy - L. G. Pine - 1957

Red Fog Over America - William Guy Carr - 1958

A Jewish Defector Warns America (Spoken Word Recording) - Benjamin H. Freedman - 1961

The Rothschilds - Frederic Morton - 1962

The Illuminati and the Council on Foreign Relations (Spoken Word Recording) - Myron Fagan - 1967

Ben-Gurion: The Armed Prophet - Michael Bar-Zohar - 1967

The Hidden Tyranny - Benjamin Freedman - 1971

None Dare Call It Conspiracy - Gary Allen - 1972

The Gulag Archipelago, Vol. 2, Parts 3 and 4 - Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn - First English translation published 1975.

Wall Street And The Rise Of Hitler - Anthony C. Sutton - 1976

The Rosenthal Document - Walter White, Jr. - 1978

Two Rothschilds And The Land Of Israel - Simon Schama - 1978

The Six Pointed Star - Dr O. J. Graham - 1984

The Last Days In America - Bob Fraley - 1984

Who Owns The TV Networks - Eustace Mullins - 1985

The Samson Option: Israel's Nuclear Arsenal and American Foreign Policy - Seymour M. Hersh - 1991

A History of the Jews in America - Howard M. Sachar - 1992

Deliberate Deceptions: Facing the Facts About the U.S. Israeli Relationship - Paul Findley - 1993

Descent Into Slavery - Des Griffin - 1994

Bloodlines Of The Illuminati - Fritz Springmeier - 1995

Jewish History, Jewish Religion - Israel Shahak - 1994

Satan Speaks - Anton Szandor LaVey - 1998

The Elite Serial Killers of Lincoln, JFK, RFK & MLK - Robert Gaylon Ross - 2001

Never Again? The Threat Of The New Anti-Semitism - Abraham H. Foxman - 2004

The Elite Don't Dare Let Us Tell The People - Robert Gaylon Ross - 2004

Codex Magica - Texe Marrs - 2005


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--- Mon Jul 02, 2012 4:51 pm ---

Coming back to topic, here is an interesting comment I'll post here:
Having grown up with this story, I am fully aware both of the horrors of that period, and also the lack of attention it has received in histories of, and discussions about, the end of World War II. But I have two critical clarifications to make: language does not equal ethnicity, and ethnicity is rarely homogeneous, particularly in a heterogeneous country such as the former Czechoslovakia. In some points of the article, Mr. Douglas refers to the deportees as "German-speaking" but then conflates that with being ethnically German or just German. German-speaking is also conflated with being sympathetic to the political cause of the state of Germany during the war, and, by association, the Holocaust. Neither characterization is true.

Taking my own family as an example, while primarily German-speaking (family members spoke both German and Czech) genealogy traced back to the 15th century shows both Slavic and Germanic heritage, along with a variety of other ethnicities. The labelling of any group of individuals, as one singular ethnicity based on their language, hair color, or any other aspect is a slippery slope, as DNA testing is increasingly showing.

Politics loves simplicity, so by characterizing a group of individuals based on their language, it is easy to set one group against a recognizable "other." But historical analysis, in striving to clarify the the wrongs of policy and in an attempt to prevent it from happening again, should strive for clarity. Deportations and executions during the periods of mass expulsion were cloaked in "German-ness" but were really an excuse for the political forces in power to rid themselves of those they felt we undesirable in one way or another. Many citizens, with only a tenuous link to "German-ness" or really no link at all, were either executed or expelled in those post-war years when combat had ceased and peace supposedly reigned.

I thank Mr. Douglass for presenting the horrors of the expulsions, horrors that attend all forced migrations, and should never be condoned in a modern world. But I would ask for clarity in describing the excuses for the expulsions - for that is what they were. Excuses. That is the only possibility we have for ensuring that the same excuses will not be used again, in another place, by the "righteous" victors of war.

http://chronicle.com/article/The-Europe ... -554361152
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The destruction of East Prussia is covered by any good documentary on WWII. "World at War" and "World War II in Color" both have episodes on the Soviet Union's advance on Prussia and the Germans fleeing to allied lines. I wouldn't confuse "atrocities being hushed up by the allies" with not being well read.
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That's indeed a great quote from the page Nucleus.

I do think that the author is completely spot on when he said in the article:


By any measure, the postwar expulsions were a manmade disaster and one of the most significant examples of the mass violation of human rights in recent history. Yet although they occurred within living memory, in time of peace, and in the middle of the world's most densely populated continent, they remain all but unknown outside Germany itself. On the rare occasions that they rate more than a footnote in European-history textbooks, they are commonly depicted as justified retribution for Nazi Germany's wartime atrocities or a painful but necessary expedient to ensure the future peace of Europe.


At least now it is less hidden and the 'excuses' for it do ring hollow indeed.

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But Hitler in his mein kampf explains how he became increasingly anti-semitic and militaristic, especially during his years in Vienna. Yet, the deeper origins of his anti-semitism remain a mystery. He speaks of not having met a Jew until he arrived in Vienna, and that at first his attitude was liberal and tolerant. When he first encountered the anti-semitic press, he says, he dismissed it as unworthy of serious consideration. Later he accepted the same anti-semitic views, which became crucial in his program of national reconstruction.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mein_Kampf

Well why do we think Hitler had to go to Vienna? well because Vienna of Austria was where secret drafting of world zionism organisation was taking place, led by Theodor Herzl..

1897
1. Lord Edmond Rothschild of London and Jacob H. Schiff of New York City, two of the Elders of Zion, got Theodor Herzl (of Austria) to arrange for the World Zionist Congress at Basel, Switzerland; 197 delegates met there and laid out a plan of World Conquest with plans for a World Government. Herzl, founder of Zionism, in opening the meeting, raised his right hand and repeated an ancient oath of the Talmudists:

http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/ha ... r_plan.htm


This is what Theodor Herzl was saying;

1897: The Rothschilds found the Zionist Congress to promote Zionism (a political movement with the sole aim of moving all Jews into a singularly Jewish nation state) and arrange its first meeting in Munich. However due to extreme opposition from local Jews, who are quite happy where they are, this meeting has to be moved to Basle, Switzerland and takes place on 29 August. The meeting is chaired by Ashkenazi Jew, Theodor Herzl, who would state in his diaries,

"It is essential that the sufferings of Jews....become worse....this will assist in realization of our plans....I have an excellent idea....I shall induce anti-Semites to liquidate Jewish wealth....The anti-Semites will assist us thereby in that they will strengthen the persecution and oppression of Jews. The anti-Semites shall be our best friends."
Herzl is subsequently elected President of the Zionist Organisation which adopts the, "Rothschild Red Hexagram or Sign," as the Zionist flag which 51 years later will end up as the flag of Israel.
Edward Henry Harriman becomes a director of the Union Pacific Railroad and goes on to take control of the Southern Pacific Railroad. This is all financed by the Rothschilds.


Now can you see why Hitler had to accept the same anti-semitic views, which became crucial in his program of national reconstruction.
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desertdudeshj wrote:^^^ Ignored, and rightfully so after reading the first two words " Political Zionism " because the rest is just going to be a repeat of previous jibberish.

Berrin life is already difficult on this forum as it is with all the infestations here without you interjecting every topic with your anti semitic conspiracy theories, so either give it a break or be expected to be treated like rest of the banned loons here. Just because you're a loon from "our" side don't expect any favourable treatement, not from me at least.


I completely agree.
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Berrin, I suggest you tackle one small piece of the topic at a time and start threads on them.

Your last post I did read - and I have to admit that I wasn't aware of the assertion that intially Hitler wasn't anti-Semitic, and later developed these views. However, I'm not really that interested in Hitler's motivations - especially from people who may seem to be trying to justify their anti-Semitism.

Historically, and statistically speaking, anti-Semitism has its roots in Europe over the millenia. Some trace the roots back to the Bible and the anti-Semitic views in there, others say this was an excuse for economic jealousy.. but in explaining/understanding the historic anti-semitism one should not side with those with the anti-semitic views.

The latter day injustices committed by some Jews - notably Zionists who preach and practice segregation - are distinct from all Jews and indeed the relgion of Moses.

However, this thread is NOT about the Holocaust.

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Thank you Berrin for completely dragging this thread down into in your conspiracy gutter. Hope you are happy now !
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Guys I don't threaten anybody, I don't use hate language for any of the member on the forum, I don't abuse anybodies nationality,family, I don't write racist assaults on any of our members.. I get all the hassle,yet I don't give infuriating replies so that we can continue in peaceful exchange.. So What is your problem really? Pls stand bold in favour of civilisation and for public rights.. Do you think anybody who talks about our world history by default is racist or hate spiller.. I haven't shaped history, the wealthy elite/bankers are shaping it for us without us noticing anything about it... by exchange of mails,perhaps we'll work out present events by looking at the events leading to them from the past.... All I am doing is in line with forum' objective, It's named politics talk.... What we are talking is history, whether you believe it's a total consparicy can be your opinion. I respect that and have no problems with it, however by further questioning I get motiveted into further research, you could do that tooo... if you are in disagreement then I'd be quite happy to read your evidence in opposition, that's how we establish debate or dialetic or rhetoric really...

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shafique wrote:Historically, and statistically speaking, anti-Semitism has its roots in Europe over the millenia. Some trace the roots back to the Bible and the anti-Semitic views in there, others say this was an excuse for economic jealousy.. but in explaining/understanding the historic anti-semitism one should not side with those with the anti-semitic views.


Not in the Soviet Union. Their Antisemitism was based on your Antisemitic belief of "chosen people" being superior to non-Jews:

Such misuse of the Talmud by the Soviet authorities was exposed in a 1984 hearing record before the Subcommittee on Human Rights and International Organizations in the US Congress concerning the Soviet Jewry,

This vicious anti-Semitic canard, frequently repeated by other Soviet writers and officials, is based upon the malicious notion that the "Chosen People" of the Torah and Talmud preaches "superiority over other peoples", as well as exclusivity. This was, of course, the principal theme of the notorious Tsarist Protocols of the Elders of Zion. - from "Soviet Jewry: Hearing before the Subcommittee on Human Rights and International Organizations". United States Congress, House Committee on Foreign Affairs. Commission on Security and Cooperation in Europe. 1984. p.56
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Berrin wrote:Guys I don't threaten anybody, I don't use hate language for any of the member on the forum, I don't abuse anybodies nationality,family, I don't write racist assaults on any of our members..


You have a point. eh could learn a lesson or two from you.

Perhaps you can explain to him that the historical roots of European anti-semitism pre-date 20th century Soviets who had to find another reason (apart from Bible and Economic jealousy) to hate the Jews. 20th century German anti-Semites also didn't explicitly refer to the Bible like their forefathers did either.

But, again, we're straying from the thread's topic - the European atrocity that many have not heard of.

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Indeed, the reason for hating Jews for being "chosen people" goes back to at least Tzarist times - the Protocols of the Elders of Zion uses this reason to get people to hate Jews.

In fact, the Koran teaches the same libel against Judaism as Russian Tzars centuries later. Perhaps this explains why the first major pogrom against Jews in Europe occurred in Andalusia?
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You mean jewish persecution accurred in Abdalusia during christians raids to topple islamic rule?

Well even this jewish guy is able to make a good difference between children of israel who were favoured upon as they went into covenant with Allah and later how Allah condemned those late generations of yahudis(judeans) who broke their covenant and went astray in evilness..

I think the present day disbeliving secret ritual worshiping zionist judeans represents those that are cursed by Allah...

http://www.eretzyisroel.org/~jkatz/quranhadith.html



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shafique wrote:Historically, and statistically speaking, anti-Semitism has its roots in Europe over the millenia.
Does this mean those christians who were anti-semitic were not really torahphobic for beliving jews but anti-yahudis(judeans)for disbeliving jews?
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Berrin wrote:Does this mean those christians who were anti-semitic were not really torahphobic for beliving jews but anti-yahudis(judeans)for disbeliving jews?


The list of anti-Semitic attacks and killings of Jews in Europe is very long. Some of the attacks - such as the killing of Jews in Norwich in 1144 were because of Blood Libel - so not something that is in the Torah or Judaism, but something invented by the Greek Apion, IIRC.

Berrin, do you at least concede that many of these European anti-semitic attacks because of 'blood libel' were in no way the fault of the Jewish victims? (My view is that none of the attacks are in any way justified at all.)

The context was that the Christians at the time took the Bible literally and believed the Jews were responsible for the killing of Jesus - and this played a big part in many of the other killings and anti-semitic attacks over the ages.

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shafique wrote:The list of anti-Semitic attacks and killings of Jews in Europe is very long. Some of the attacks - such as the killing of Jews in Norwich in 1144 were because of Blood Libel


I never knew that literal meaning of blood libel was this..
Blood libel (also blood accusation[1][2]) is a false accusation or claim[3][4][5] that religious minorities, usually Jews, murder children to use their blood in certain aspects of their religious rituals and holidays.[1][2][6] Historically, these claims—alongside those of well poisoning and host desecration—have been a major theme in European persecution of Jews.[4]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_libel

This is truly idolatrous practice and cannot have anything to do with religion.. So if Christians have been through persecution for blood libel, then I can understand their frustration with idolatrous Jews..
Looks like it's not a lie either..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b98ch_Py ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tw4TvuDL ... re=related
Ohh my god, in the second video from 10.20 minutes it is said that holocaust is jewish custom of human sacrifice for their deity. It is a must watch video...

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I'm sorry, but I'm really not interested in watching the 2nd video - 1hr 20 mins of what looks exactly like Nazi propaganda against Jews (and yes, I'm judging it solely on the opening sequence).

But the first I did watch - mostly because it is only 4 min long - my jaw was well and truly open all the way through. Oprah interviewing a Jewish lady admitting to human sacrifices etc!!

Given these come from America, I can now understand why there are over 1000 anti-Semitic attacks each year over there. Frightening stuff - a good proportion of Americans must believe this stuff - I can hear them now 'well it was on Oprah!' ? :shock:

I'm not easily surprised, but this did surprise me.

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jackpott wrote:Please elaborate...

Something like these.. http://www.piratenews.org/bohemian-grove-page2.html such practises are forms of disbelief and have nothing to do with religion but see how those oral(talmud) jewish commentaries (political)are used for worldly means to manipulate people for power maximization..

This is what god conscious, God fearing jews say for peaceful coexistence...

The Muslims people basically got involved in the fight against zionism when it started effecting them on a political basis which is 1917 for the Palestinians or afterwards for some of the other Arab countries, We [religious Jews] were in this fight from the 1890's roughly... As soon as it was founded [zionism], it was condemned - Jews came out and said this is atheistic, this is idol worship..."

(5 parts)

Now compare these wicked idolatrous jews with true God believing jews..

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shafique wrote:I'm sorry, but I'm really not interested in watching the 2nd video - 1hr 20 mins of what looks exactly like Nazi propaganda against Jews (and yes, I'm judging it solely on the opening sequence).


:) hmmm well, yeah what was your rhetoric.... conspiracy theories...Do you also deny luciferian rituals practised in masonic lodges? Denial is not gonna take us anywhere, these secret occult societies and their practises are well known shafique..

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^ Spot on. :roll:

I am still gobsmacked.

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Ohh dear guys, why don't you put your political correctness aside.. Don't you know how satan has promised to mislead people that are disobedient to Allah. I mean how else can we explain satanist/paganist rituals?..

So you are gobsmacked about the roles of both man and satan in the quran eh?...

(The Pagans), leaving Him, call but upon female deities: They call but upon Satan the persistent rebel! God did curse him, but he said: “I will take of Thy servants a portion marked off; I will mislead them, and I will create in them false desires; I will order them to slit the ears of cattle, and to deface the (fair) nature created by God.” Whoever, forsaking God, takes Satan for a friend, hath of a surety suffered a loss that is manifest. Satan makes them promises, and creates in them false desires; but Satan’s promises are nothing but deception. (4: 117–20)

He said, “Seest Thou? This is the one whom Thou hast honoured above me! If Thou wilt but respite me to the Day of Judgement, I will surely bring his descendants under my sway – All but a few!” (God) said: “Go thy way; if any of them follow thee, verily Hell will be the recompense of you (all) – an ample recompense. And arouse those whom thou canst among them, with thy (seductive) voice; make assaults on them with thy cavalry and thy infantry; mutually share with them wealth and children; and make promises to them. But Satan promises them nothing but deceit. As for My servants, no authority shalt thou have over them: Enough is thy Lord for a Disposer of affairs.” (17: 62–65)

(Iblis/Satan) said: “O my Lord! Give me then respite till the Day the (dead) are raised.” (God) said: “Respite is granted thee till the Day of the Time appointed.” (Iblis) said: “O my Lord! Because Thou hast put me in the wrong, I will make (wrong) fair-seeming to them on the earth, and I will put them all in the wrong, Except Thy servants among them, sincere and purified (by Thy Grace).” (God) said: “This (way of My sincere servants) is indeed a way that leads straight to Me. For over My servants no authority shalt thou have, except such as put themselves in the wrong and follow thee.” (15: 36–42)

He said: “Because thou hast thrown me out of the way, lo! I will lie in wait for them on thy straight way: Then will I assault them from before them and behind them, from their right and their left: Nor wilt thou find, in most of them, gratitude (for thy mercies).” (God) said: “Get out from this, disgraced and expelled. If any of them follow thee – Hell will I fill with you all.” (7: 16–18)

And Satan will say when the matter is decided: “It was God Who gave you a promise of Truth: I too promised, but I failed in my promise to you. I had no authority over you except to call you but ye listened to me: then reproach not me, but reproach your own souls. I cannot listen to your cries, nor can ye listen to mine. I reject your former act in associating me with God. For wrong-doers there must be a grievous penalty.” (14: 22)

http://english.bayynat.org.lb/Doctrines/salat.htm

The mater of truth is that pagan/idol worshipers and their wicked rituals did exist throughout centuries amongst God fearing people... I don't think we can exempt any nation or people that have not been possessed performing such ills.
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