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Recent report by Quilliam on Islam Channel Mar 29, 2010
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New Quilliam report released

Re-programming British Muslims: A study of the Islam Channel

A new report by Quilliam has found that the Islam Channel, the UK’s most watched Muslim TV channel, is sowing suspicion between different religious communities and promoting intolerance and prejudice.

The report, based on Quilliam’s recording and monitoring of the channel’s output over a three-month period, found that there were several key problematic trends in its output:

- Promotion of backward attitudes to women. The Islam Channel’s presenters and preferred guests repeatedly promote socially conservative, Wahhabi-influenced views of women, which see female freedom as a threat to social harmony.


- Intolerance towards other sects and religions. Religious preachers featured on Islam Channel programmes such as IslamiQA repeatedly make derogatory remarks to the followers of other forms of religious expression and urge viewers to reject the practices of non-Muslims and non-Wahhabi Muslims alike.


- Promotion of extremism. The Islam Channel has also promoted extremist individuals and groups, for instance, by advertising recorded lectures by Anwar al-Awlaki, the pro-al-Qaeda preacher, on the channel and allowing members and supporters of Hizb ut-Tahrir to host religious programmes. The Channel also uses the phrase ‘human bombs’ to describe suicide bombers.

The Islam Channel’s Chief Executive is Mohammed Ali Harrath who has been convicted in Tunisia on terrorism-related offences and who is the subject of an Interpol Red Notice. He was most recently arrested in relation to this in South Africa in January 2010. Harrath has regularly advised key parts of the British government, including the police force, on how they should tackle extremism and terrorism.

Quilliam calls on Ofcom, the UK broadcasting regulator, to hold a full investigation into the Islam Channel’s recent output.

Talal Rajab, the report’s author, says:
“Islam Channel is the most watched Muslim TV channel in the UK. Unfortunately during the three-month period that we monitored its output, it repeatedly promoted bigoted and reactionary views towards women, non-Muslims and other Muslims who follow different versions of Islam. Although the channel does not directly call for terrorist violence, it clearly helps to create an atmosphere in which religiously-sanctioned intolerance and even hatred might be seen as acceptable.”


“By promoting a single narrow version of Islam – namely Saudi Wahhabism – at the expense of more diverse and tolerant schools of Islamic thought, the Islam Channel is wasting an enormous opportunity to positively shaping British Islam. Young British Muslims need real answers on how to live as citizens in a pluralist, secular and diverse society. Unfortunately instead of providing useful guidance the Channel promotes an intolerant rigid and out-of-date form of Islam that is of no benefit to either Muslims or society as whole....”

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Koran 2:223 - Your women are a tillage for you; so come unto your tillage as you wish


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UK's Muslim TV: Wives must not refuse sex with spouse
Martin Bentham, Home Affairs Editor Martin Bentham, Home Affairs Editor
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Britain's leading Muslim TV channel was accused of encouraging “marital rape” and promoting other intolerant views of women in a report on extremism published today.

The report by think tank Quillam says that the London-based Islam Channel broadcast comments saying that “the idea a woman cannot refuse her husband relations” was “not strange” and was instead part of “maintaining a strong marriage”.

It says that the channel also broadcast advice that a wife should not leave her home without her husband's permission and that a woman who wears perfume in public is a prostitute.

The think tank, which is calling for an investigation by broadcasting watchdog Ofcom, also accuses the channel of advertising talks by al Qaeda-supporting preacher Anwar al-Awlaki, who is alleged to have inspired failed Detroit bomber Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, and of giving a platform to other extremist Islamists.

The report, which was based on an analysis of broadcasts over three months, also states that Islam Channel's programmes have undermined trust between community groups by airing hostile comments about non-Muslims and those who follow alternative versions of Islam.

The channel's website says that it aims “to present the Islamic viewpoint and values” and provide “authoritative and impartial Islamic information”. It aims to act as an “interface” between Muslims and non-Muslims and remove misconceptions about the religion.

But Talal Rajab, the report's author, said the programmes regularly promoted an “intolerant and out-of-date” form of Islam with unacceptable views. He said: “It is the most-watched Muslim TV channel in the UK. During the three-month period that we monitored its output, it repeatedly promoted bigoted and reactionary views towards women, non-Muslims and other Muslim sects.

“Although the channel does not directly call for terrorist violence, it clearly helps to create an atmosphere in which religiously-sanctioned intolerance and even hatred might be seen as acceptable.

"By promoting a single narrow version of Islam, Saudi Wahhabism, the Islam Channel is wasting an enormous opportunity to positively shape the nature of Islam in Britain.”

Among the comments highlighted by the report were those by a guest on the programme Muslimah Dilemma on whether a wife should always agree to sex with her husband.

The guest said “it is a bit strange... to refuse relations. It would harm a marriage. The idea that a woman, even if married, can refuse relations with her husband because of individual choice'... is part of the Western culture, but not Islam.”

There was concern about the religious advice programme IslamiQA, in which viewers were told “the majority of people in the hell will be women” because they are the cause of “calamities, hardship and suffering” in Western society. The same presenter tells viewers that if a woman wears perfume in public and it is smelt by a stranger “then she is declared a prostitute”.

The privately funded Islam Channel, which launched in 2004, has already been found by Ofcom to have breached the broadcasting code on impartiality during elections, and for broadcasting an unbalanced programme about the ownership of Jerusalem.
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Re: Recent report by Quilliam on Islam Channel Mar 30, 2010
I'm writing to the UN. Hopefully they'll pass a resolution against this channel for promoting s.xism, extremism, religious intolerance, bigotry, militancy, and incitement.

Hopefully the UN will respond to my request.
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Do you know if this channel is viewable in the Middle East?


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I've seen a few programmes when in the UK and I am not surprised at the conclusion of this study (carried out by Muslims - btw)

Wahabist ideology isn't universally accepted - and a visit to Quilliam's website shows more instances of them highlighting and criticising what is being said in the name of Islam.

It will be interesting to see what sanctions Ofcom place on Islam TV based on the complaint. I suspect that it will be hushed up - like the Yamama (sp?) Affair, as the Saudis are behind this channel.


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Ok - I've reported this channel to the UN.

I'll rest assured that the UN will pass a resolution condemning this program by week's end.

(It's also interesting to note that marital rape is allowed in Islam, but that's another discussion)
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I am glad you are joining forces with the Muslims of Quilliam to clarify what Islam is actually about.

Who did you write to at the UN? Did you copy in Quilliam?


As for marital rape - it is a shame that Islam channel is saying something that Christians outlawed a few decades ago - I mean, do they still think we are in the 1960s???

But again, I'm glad you're highlighting the fact that Muslims are speaking out against this. Well done.

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Woof - that's good that Christians have outlawed marital rape.

Now we only need Muslims to first recognize marital rape and then outlaw it.
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Yes - it is good indeed that Christians have recently decided to ignore the Biblical verses which tell women to submit to their husbands!

But what is really encouraging is that you are now quoting Muslim groups who speak out against Wahabbi Saudi inspired messages.

Well done.

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Let's just hope that Muslims ignore the following passages as well:

Koran 2:223 - Your women are a tillage for you; so come unto your tillage as you wish


Koran 4:34 - Men are the managers of the affairs of women for that God has preferred in bounty one of them over another, and for that they have expended of their property. Righteous women are therefore obedient, guarding the secret for God's guarding. And those you fear may be rebellious admonish; banish them to their couches, and beat them. If they then obey you, look not for any way against them; God is All-high, All-great.


LoL. Foot-in-mouth pwnage.
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Ah - nice attempt at deflection.

But thanks again for quoting Muslims who are speaking out against Wahabism. You did realise that Quilliam was a Muslim think tank - didn't you?

(And thanks also for not denying what the Bible tells women to do - to submit to their husbands)

Well done

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Yes, I agree with you. And I thank you for highlighting the fact that wives have authority over their husbands, according to the NT.

Unlike the Koran, which says a wife may be beaten if she does not obey her husband, the NT says that wives have ownership over their husbands, and vice-versa.

Thanks again for pointing this out.

(And thanks also for not denying what the Koran tells women to do - to obey their husbands)
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Cool.

You didn't tell us though who in the UN you wrote to and whether you copied in the Muslim think tank Quilliam.

I am glad that despite your otherwise extreme views, you are now siding with Muslims who denounce wahabism (but you seem to be in denial that Muslims oppose wahabism, despite your quoting of the report)

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Koran 2:223 - Your women are a tillage for you; so come unto your tillage as you wish


Koran 4:34 - Men are the managers of the affairs of women for that God has preferred in bounty one of them over another, and for that they have expended of their property. Righteous women are therefore obedient, guarding the secret for God's guarding. And those you fear may be rebellious admonish; banish them to their couches, and beat them. If they then obey you, look not for any way against them; God is All-high, All-great.


Yes, I'm glad that not all Muslims take the Koran literally and rightly ignore its misogynist passages.
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Bravo!!!

It has finally sunk in that Muslims don't agree with eh's wild interpretations of God's words. Indeed, he even doesn't deny that Christians ignore the verses used to oppredd women and deny them the vote, inheritance etc until recently (and more than a millenium after Islam).


So it is excellent that eh is now joining forces with Muslim groups like Quilliam to denounce wahbism etc.


Well done eh - it shows you do listen after all !!

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However, did you tell us who you wrote to at the UN and whether you are coordinating with Quilliam??
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shafique wrote:Bravo!!!

It has finally sunk in that Muslims don't agree with eh's wild interpretations of God's words. Indeed, he even doesn't deny that Christians ignore the verses used to oppredd women and deny them the vote, inheritance etc until recently (and more than a millenium after Islam).


So it is excellent that eh is now joining forces with Muslim groups like Quilliam to denounce wahbism etc.


Well done eh - it shows you do listen after all !!

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Wow, you're really contradicting yourself here, dear boy.

If a se.xist verse is from the Koran, you claim that others are 'misinterpreting' it.

OTH, if a similar, though far less misogynist, verse is quoted from the Bible, you claim that Christians are ignoring it.

Even you can do better than that.

(but again - thanks for providing me the opportunity to correct your mistaken views of the NT and inform others at the same time)
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I'm on your side 'eh' - I am pleased you have now made the transition from unreformed orientalist to someone who quotes Muslim reports which criticism Wahabism.

Well done.

You however seem a bit confused - are you now arguing that the Wahabism that the report (and Quilliam generally) are critical of is in reality the true Islam? :shock:

I also note you haven't answered the question about who in the UN you wrote to and whether you informed Quilliam. Surely it would be a courtesy to let them know you were using their report.

Or, could it be, this is another case of

All Mouth, No Trousers?

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Hey, I'm just pointing out the obvious here. You're claiming the NT is misogynist because you think that wives are to submit to their husbands (although it was pointed out to our resident NT expert that wives have power over their husbands' body, according to the NT)

But you seem to shy away from the fact that the Koran also says that women are to obey their husbands. In fact, the Koran takes this several steps backwards and says that men can discipline their wives if their wives do not obey them.

Is the Koran misogynist for saying that a husband can beat his wife until she obeys him?

Again, I thank you for providing me the opportunity to correct your misunderstanding of the NT and point out that the Koran actually states that a wife is to unconditionally obey her husband - with serious consequences if she 'rebels'.
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I'm agreeing with you and Quilliam that Wabhisim is not Islam.

As I said, I'm so glad that you are now agreeing with Muslims now.

I also agree with you that the Christians are indeed wise to ignore the misogynistic verses of the NT which say a woman should submit to her husband (likening him to Christ) and shouldn't speak in church etc. I also agree with you that the Wahabi interpretations of the Quran are wrong.

So, we agree.

But, why are you avoiding the question I've asked a few times now:

shafique wrote:I also note you haven't answered the question about who in the UN you wrote to and whether you informed Quilliam. Surely it would be a courtesy to let them know you were using their report.

Or, could it be, this is another case of

All Mouth, No Trousers?
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You didn't answer my question - do you believe that a passage instructing a husband to 'discipline' his wife until she obeys him is 'misogynist'?

Do you think a passage telling wives to obey their husbands is misogynist?

And lastly, thank you for providing another example of foot-in-mouth ownage.

I guess you didn't read all the passages in the NT regarding women from your missionary website.

Koran 4:34 - Men are the managers of the affairs of women for that God has preferred in bounty one of them over another, and for that they have expended of their property. Righteous women are therefore obedient, guarding the secret for God's guarding. And those you fear may be rebellious admonish; banish them to their couches, and beat them. If they then obey you, look not for any way against them; God is All-high, All-great.


1) 'Righteous' Women are obedient to their husband
2) If a man suspects 'rebellion', he may discipline his wife
3) A husband may 'discipline' his wife until she is obedient again
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shafique wrote:I'm agreeing with you and Quilliam that Wabhisim is not Islam.
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But, why are you avoiding the question I've asked a few times now:

shafique wrote:I also note you haven't answered the question about who in the UN you wrote to and whether you informed Quilliam. Surely it would be a courtesy to let them know you were using their report.

Or, could it be, this is another case of

All Mouth, No Trousers?


I asked you the above question first - so, taking a leaf from your other threads, I'll answer your new questions in this thread when you answer the above question. Fair enough?

(I like your reverse psychology though - quoting Wahibist/Orientalist interpretations as if you believe them. ;) Nice one. )

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event horizon wrote:Hey, I'm just pointing out the obvious here. You're claiming the NT is misogynist because you think that wives are to submit to their husbands


Well, let's see what the NT says - perhaps the translation is wrong?

Ephesians says:
5:22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.
5:23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
5:24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.


But as I said, I'm siding with the Christians that ignore this passage of the Bible and say that those who wrote this (and other misogynistic passages) were just forgers.

As for the Quilliam report though - the question above is still hanging. Did 'eh' really inform the UN or was this actually 'all mouth, no trousers' again?

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event horizon wrote:You didn't answer my question - do you believe that a passage instructing a husband to 'discipline' his wife until she obeys him is 'misogynist'?

Do you think a passage telling wives to obey their husbands is misogynist?

And lastly, thank you for providing another example of foot-in-mouth ownage.

I guess you didn't read all the passages in the NT regarding women from your missionary website.

Koran 4:34 - Men are the managers of the affairs of women for that God has preferred in bounty one of them over another, and for that they have expended of their property. Righteous women are therefore obedient, guarding the secret for God's guarding. And those you fear may be rebellious admonish; banish them to their couches, and beat them. If they then obey you, look not for any way against them; God is All-high, All-great.


1) 'Righteous' Women are obedient to their husband
2) If a man suspects 'rebellion', he may discipline his wife
3) A husband may 'discipline' his wife until she is obedient again
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Interesting. When I agree with you and the Muslims who criticise Wahabism, you seem embarrassed.

Let's see the questions you are avoiding:

shafique wrote:
event horizon wrote:Hey, I'm just pointing out the obvious here. You're claiming the NT is misogynist because you think that wives are to submit to their husbands


Well, let's see what the NT says - perhaps the translation is wrong?

Ephesians says:
5:22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.
5:23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
5:24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.



So, is the above translation wrong?

But, more to the point... you claimed to have written to the UN. Hence I asked:


As for the Quilliam report though - the question above is still hanging. Did 'eh' really inform the UN or was this actually 'all mouth, no trousers' again?


So, is it 'all mouth, no trousers'??
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But thanks again for quoting Muslims who are speaking out against Wahabism. You did realise that Quilliam was a Muslim think tank - didn't you?


Shafique I hope this Muslim think tank is not a part of the work of British Government's spying operations on Muslims.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... nt-muslims

How are thinktanks shaping the political agenda on Muslims in Britain?
http://www.irr.org.uk/2008/september/ak000003.html

Now I can't stop thinking that both the channel and this think thank organization are the work of British government to malice islam and thereby taking control of muslim activities and operations in Britian.

At the end of the day billions of dollars coming through from sweet Wahhabi sheiks of Arabia doing a great job on British economy...They can't dare to scare it....

....But hey EH don't worry British Goverment seems like well capable taking good care of Muslim in Britain..
http://khilafah.com/index.php/comment/4 ... in-britain

Eh when do you think British Government will say OK we give up mingling and fiddling with Islam? At the end of the day it had arrived as user's manual for mankind to achieve piece, prosperity and humanity in the whole of Universe.

New report exposes British Governments plan to change Islam... (Eh do you like this?..just like Qadianism? maybe..)
http://www.khilafah.com/index.php/analy ... ange-islam
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/p ... /65/65.pdf
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Oh dear.

You really embarrassed yourself here, now didn't you?

Are you still claiming that the NT is misogynist because husbands and wives are to submit to each other but, on the other hand, the Koran is not misogynist when it instructs husbands to *beat* their wives until their wives become submissive towards their husbands again?

Is the NT misogynist for saying that both husbands and wives have authority over each other?

If it is, then is the Koran misogynist for saying that wives should obey their husbands - and the Koran takes this one step further and says that husbands may also beat their wives, as well?

Or are you just fond of using big words?
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Why would I be embarrassed to agree with you and Quilliam that Wahabi/Orientalist interpretations of the Quran are off the mark?

I understand your embarrassment about the Bible (especially the latest explanation about the accuracy of the Nativity and the continuing wait for your scientific explanation of the earth's rotation stopping for a day) - but I'm a bit at a loss as to why you keep bringing up the NT's faults in this thread.

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Let me know how the passage I quoted from the Koran telling wives to obey their husbands and for husbands to beat their disobedient wife is a 'wahabbi' interpretation.

I understand your embarrassment about the Bible (especially the latest explanation about the accuracy of the Nativity and the continuing wait for your scientific explanation of the earth's rotation stopping for a day) - but I'm a bit at a loss as to why you keep bringing up the NT's faults in this thread.


Why would I be embarrassed that the Bible says that wives and husbands should submit to each others authority?

I'm not the one who pontificated on the teachings of the NT here.

Or do you forget that you originally claimed the NT was misogynist for saying that wives should obey their husbands only to be told that the Koran says the same thing (plus the wife beating bit) and that the NT also says that husbands are to submit their bodies to their wives?
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I do indeed recall asking you to explain which women should only learn from their husbands and keep silent in church, and why this verse didn't apply to all women. I'm still waiting for the reply.

1 Corinthians:
14:34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.
14:35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.


Have you now got an answer? Who are the 'your women' being referred to?


As for the Quilliam report - as I said, I agree with you and them on this and have congratulated you for joining forces with Muslims.

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