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Rape by Deception? WTF?? Jul 21, 2010
A married Arab Israeli man lies about being Arab (and presumably that he was married) and the woman who agrees to sleep with him decides to call the police on him when she discovers he is an Arab and not Jewish.

The court convicts him of rape by deception. I had to double check that this wasn't an April fool or a joke - but it seems legit.. here's a quote from the article from Haaretz posted in full below.

Laist also said the court's verdict was paternalistic toward women. "The test the court adopted is problematic, because it means that every time a man tells a woman he loves her, based on which she sleeps with him, he could be convicted of rape."

The mind boggles! :shock:

Jurists say Arab's rape conviction sets dangerous precedent
Sabbar Kashur sentenced to 18 months for posing as Jewish man to bed woman

By Tomer Zarchin

Lawyers for the Arab man convicted of rape by deception and sentenced to 18 months in prison, say they are considering an appeal to the High Court of Justice.

Sabbar Kashur, 30, had consensual sex with a woman after he posed as a Jewish bachelor interested in a long-term relationship.

When the woman found Kashur was not a Jew but an Arab, she filed a police complaint that led to charges of rape and indecent assault.

"If she hadn't thought the accused was a Jewish bachelor interested in a serious romantic relationship, she would not have cooperated," Judge Zvi Segal wrote in his verdict. Segal said the court had to protect the public from sophisticated criminals who could mislead innocent victims.

Kashur, married and the father of two small children, has been under house arrest for almost two years since the incident occured.

According to Kashur, he was exiting a grocery store in downtown Jerusalem around midday when a woman in her late 20s began to talk to him. "I would say she set upon me. She was interested in my motorcycle and so we talked. I didn't pretend. I said my name is Dudu because that's how everybody knows me. My wife even calls me that."

Kashur said the verdict is racist.

"For two years I've been under house arrest for nothing," he said. "If I were Jewish they wouldn't have even questioned me. That's not called rape. I didn't rape her in the forest and throw her away naked. She agreed to everything that happened."

In 2008, the High Court of Justice set a precedent on rape by deception, rejecting an appeal of the rape conviction by Zvi Sleiman, who impersonated a senior official in the Housing Ministry whose wife worked in the National Insurance Institute. Sleiman told women he would get them an apartment and increased NII payments if they would sleep with him.

High Court Justice Elyakim Rubinstein said a conviction of rape should be imposed any time a "person does not tell the truth regarding critical matters to a reasonable woman, and as a result of misrepresentation she has sexual relations with him."

Rubinstein said the question was also whether an ordinary person would expect such a woman to have sex with a man without the false identity he created.

In the past, men who misrepresented themselves in this way were convicted of fraud.

One such case was that of Eran Ben-Avraham, who told a woman he was a neurosurgeon after which she had sex with him, and was convicted of three counts of fraud.

Elkana Laist of the Public Defender's Office yesterday said the Jerusalem District Court had gone too far in its application of the approach of the High Court, "opening the door to a rape conviction every time a person lies regarding details of his identity. Every time the court thinks a reasonable woman would not have had sex with a man based on that representation, the man will be charged with rape. That approach is not accepted around the world either."

Laist also said the court's verdict was paternalistic toward women. "The test the court adopted is problematic, because it means that every time a man tells a woman he loves her, based on which she sleeps with him, he could be convicted of rape."

Dana Pugach, head of the Noga Center for Victims of Crime, said she thought the verdict was appropriate. "We all have different characteristics, and it is a person's right to have sexual relations with a person knowing the facts about those characteristics. I see no difference between impersonating a Jew if you are an Arab and a wealthy pilot when you are penniless, if those are relevant characteristics to the decision to have sex."

http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/jurists-say-arab-s-rape-conviction-sets-dangerous-precedent-1.303109

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Re: Rape by Deception? WTF?? Jul 21, 2010
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In that case I have been raped also. :D

Ridiculous ruling of course. Israel (like some states in the US) have gone way too far protecting women. At least no lashes for the adulterers.
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I agree - a mind boggling ruling that I expect repulses many Israelis.

Levy makes raises an interesting point:
Gideon Levy, a liberal Israeli commentator, was quoted as saying: "I would like to raise only one question with the judge. What if this guy had been a Jew who pretended to be a Muslim and had sex with a Muslim woman?

"Would he have been convicted of rape? The answer is: of course not."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/ju ... al-sex-jew

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Re: Rape By Deception? WTF?? Jul 22, 2010
That's just crazy! I can't believe she could even file such a ridiculous case.
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Re: Rape by Deception? WTF?? Jul 22, 2010
From Haaretz.

He impersonated a human

Sabbar Kashur wanted to be a person, a person like everybody else. But as luck would have it, he was born Palestinian.
By Gideon Levy


Sabbar Kashur wanted to be a person, a person like everybody else. But as luck would have it, he was born Palestinian. It happens. His chances of being accepted as a human being in Israel are nil. Married and a father of two, he wanted to work in Jerusalem, his city, and maybe also have an affair or a quickie on the side. That happens too.

He knew that he had no chance with the Jews, so he adopted another name for himself, Dudu. He didn't have curly hair, but he went by Dudu just the same. That's how everyone knew him. That's how you know a few other Arabs too: the car-wash guy you call Rafi, the stairwell cleaner who goes by Yossi, the supermarket deliveryman you know as Moshe.


What's wrong? Is it only fearsome Shin Bet interrogators like "Capt. George" and "Abu Faraj" who are allowed to adopt names from other peoples? Are only Israelis who emigrate allowed to invent new identities? Only the Yossi from Hadera who became Joe in Miami, the Avraham from Bat Yam who became Abe in Los Angeles?


No longer a youth, Sabbar/Dudu worked as a deliveryman for a lawyer's office, rode his scooter around Jerusalem and delivered documents, affidavits and sworn testimonies, swearing to everyone that he was Dudu. Two years ago he met a woman by chance. Nice to meet you, my name is Dudu. He claims that she came on to him, but let's leave the details aside. Soon enough they went where they went and what happened happened, all by consent of the parties concerned. One fine day, a month and a half after an afternoon quickie, he was summoned to the police on suspicion of rape.

His temporary lover discovered that her Dudu wasn't a Dudu after all, that the Jew is (gasp! ) an Arab, and so she filed a complaint against the impostor. Her body was violated by an Arab. From then on Kashur was placed under house arrest for two years, an electronic cuff on his ankle. This week his sentence was pronounced: 18 months in jail.

Judge Zvi Segal waxed dramatic to the point of absurdity: "It is incumbent on the court to protect the public interest from sophisticated, smooth, sweet-talking offenders who can mislead naive victims into paying an unbearable price: the sanctity of their bodies and souls." Sophisticated offenders? It is doubtful that Dudu even knew he was one. Sweet talk? He says that even his wife calls him Dudu.

The court relied, as usual, on precedents: the man who posed as a senior Housing Ministry official and promised his lover an apartment and an increased National Insurance pension, and the man who posed as a wealthy neurosurgeon who promised free medical care and other perks. Dudu had nothing to offer but his good name, Dudu, and still his fate was sealed, just like those who promise apartments and perks. Not only fraud, but rape, almost like the convicted serial rapist Benny Sela.

Supreme Court Justice Elyakim Rubinstein had, after all, defined the test of conviction for rape on "false pretenses": "if in the view of an ordinary person this woman would have agreed to have sexual relations with a man who did not have the identity he invented."

In tune with the public, Kashur's judges assumed, rightly, that the woman would not have gotten into bed with Dudu were it not for the identity he invented. She also might not have gotten into bed with him if he had told her in vain that he was available, that he was younger than he really is or even that he is madly in love with her. But people are not prosecuted for that, certainly not on rape charges.

Now the respected judges have to be asked: If the man was really Dudu posing as Sabbar, a Jew pretending to be an Arab so he could sleep with an Arab woman, would he then be convicted of rape? And do the eminent judges understand the social and racist meaning of their florid verdict? Don't they realize that their verdict has the uncomfortable smell of racial purity, of "don't touch our daughters"? That it expresses the yearning of the extensive segments of society that would like to ban sexual relations between Arabs and Jews?

It was no coincidence that this verdict attracted the attention of foreign correspondents in Israel, temporary visitors who see every blemish. Yes, in German or Afrikaans this disgraceful verdict would have sounded much worse.
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Re: Rape by Deception? WTF?? Jul 23, 2010
Wow, Gideon Levy is having a field day it seems. Where were the likes of him a month ago:

http://www.thenational.ae/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20100607/FOREIGN/706069802/1002

CAIRO // Egyptian men married to Israeli women face being stripped of their citizenship after a landmark ruling on Saturday by the Supreme Administrative Court.
The case for [Egyptian] men married to Israeli Arab women is different to those married to Israeli women of Jewish origin because [Israeli Arabs] have lived under Israeli occupation,” Mr el Husseiny said in his ruling.


Of course this is a ridiculous ruling/law, but immediately going in overdrive and compare it the nazi's is insane. When a Druze wants a relationship outside his/her community s/he gets ex-communicated mostly. A Muslim woman is by sharia not allowed to marry outside her religion etc etc.

The funny part is that the judge between the lines ruled that the woman is reasonable...

How would many men feel when after a quick nookie the 'woman' appears to be a former man?...'raped' maybe? Perhaps, but it is the guy (the real one) 's fault for wanting a quicky without trying to know the other party.
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Re: Rape By Deception? WTF?? Jul 23, 2010
Talk about blaming the messenger! Well, you can hardly blame Levy for reporting on racism in the courts of Israel - you've got the 3 Israeli judges to blame for that.

But I'm disapointed with you FD - I thought in this thread you wouldn't try the usual Loon tactic of smoke-and-mirrors when Israeli crimes are pointed out.

(I mean - why not criticise the East Jerusalem Palestinians who are stripped of their residency if they choose to go and study abroad - you seem to be harbouring the same racist views that Levy is railing against - why choose one case in Egypt when there are many more cases in Jerusalem? The only plausible answer is that you have no defence for Israeli actions - but can't quite help your loon tendencies to try and divert attention. However Kudos to you for your restraint in this thread and initial reaction.)


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High Court Justice Elyakim Rubinstein said a conviction of rape should be imposed any time a “person does not tell the truth regarding critical matters to a reasonable woman, and as a result of misrepresentation she has sexual relations with him.”


Levi and his comrades immediately assume that a jew-impersonating-a-Muslim/Arab would not be convicted. I seriously doubt that. Based on she same law, other convictions have been spoken in the past. Now, ethnicity comes into place and all of sudden people are foaming apartheid and nazi's. IMO, a woman having se.x with a stange man she met minutes ago is not reasonable, not sure how that is in Israel. Obviously the woman has a problem with se.x with somebody of another religion/ethnicity. I believe the same applies to the majority in the region, or are Muslima's now allowed to marry infidels?

I find the law/ruling bothersome, but it is also criminal to get money by fraud.

Some interesting UK cases:

R v Jheeta [2007] EWCA Crim 1699 —
D texted girlfriend in guise of police officer threatening her with arrest
if she didn’t perform various sexual acts. Convicted for some offences under
Sexual Offences Act 1956 for procuring a woman by deceit, but acquitted of
rape for those acts which happened after that law had been replaced by the SOA 2003 (without an equivalent offence).

R v Williams [1923] 1 KB 340 — D slept with girl after telling her it was to improve her singing (!). Guilty. :shock:
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Re: Rape By Deception? WTF?? Jul 23, 2010
Do you think that a Jew sleeping with a Muslim woman would be put in jail under the Israeli legal system? You say you 'doubt it' - but, with all due respect, what are you basing your opinion on?

Has a Jewish man been convicted of pretending to be an Arab to bed an Arab lady?


Levy's point is well made, and fits in with the general discrimination that goes on - eg losing one's right of residency if you are an Arab resident of East Jerusalem and decide to go and study abroad, for example.

It is inconceivable that the UK or US would put someone in jail because of a lady's racist attitude, after she entered into a consensual act but thought the man was of a different race/religion to what he actually was.

But even if the UK did act like Israel did - would it make this case any less incredibly racist??

And let's be clear - no one is surprised that an Israeli woman can be appalled at the thought of having slept with an Arab (I mean that kind of prejudice is hardly going to be news-worthy) - what is appalling is that the man she agreed to sleep with after just meeting with him, has been put in jail for 18 months after 2 years of house arrest. That the court backs up a racist's prejudice is the main point here.

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Re: Rape By Deception? WTF?? Jul 23, 2010
shafique wrote:Do you think that a Jew sleeping with a Muslim woman would be put in jail under the Israeli legal system? You say you 'doubt it' - but, with all due respect, what are you basing your opinion on?


On the basis of the ruling and that such a case has not (yet) been tried. Based on that I am not sure of the outcome, Gideon Levy apparently is.

shafique wrote:Has a Jewish man been convicted of pretending to be an Arab to bed an Arab lady?


There has never been such a case. Until then we just don't know.

shafique wrote:It is inconceivable that the UK or US would put someone in jail because of a lady's racist attitude, after she entered into a consensual act but thought the man was of a different race/religion to what he actually was.


She as much as a racist as other ethnicities who only want a relationship with their own kind. And that is the vast majority of the region.
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I agree that her racism may indeed be shared by others in the region (even those who don't sleep with people they've just met)

I repeat the main point is the incredible ruling of the Israeli justice system that has resulted in the object of her racism being locked up for 18 months after 2 years of house arrest.

That's institutionalising the racism of the lady. Inexcusable.

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Re: Rape by Deception? WTF?? Jul 23, 2010
It is a personal opinion of the court based on a general law, that is not institutionalised racism. The new law in Egypt, that is institutionalised racism.
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Re: Rape By Deception? WTF?? Jul 23, 2010
Ok - I guess we'll have to agree to disagree whether the racist action is institutionalised by the sentence.

The guy is in jail because the Israeli justice system put him there - so he was arrested, charged and prosecuted - so a whole range of people's 'personal opinions' went into this racist decision. I'd say that is institutionalised racism (as is the law that deprives only Arab residents of East Jerusalem of residency, but not Jewish residents)

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Re: Rape by Deception? WTF?? Jul 23, 2010
This man lied about his maritial status and his ethnicity. There is no indication whatsoever that the judges ruled based on perceived racism.
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Are you thinking of a different case?

"If she hadn't thought the accused was a Jewish bachelor interested in a serious romantic relationship, she would not have cooperated," Judge Zvi Segal wrote in his verdict. Segal said the court had to protect the public from sophisticated criminals who could mislead innocent victims.


You're not seriously going to tell me that the Israeli courts will imprison a Jewish married person on rape charges if he tells a lover he is single.

C'mon FD - re-read the first Haaretz article and tell me you are seriously arguing that you're not sure whether it was the fact the person accused was Arab or whether he was married is the reason he is now in jail.

I applaud your loyalty to Israel though - above and beyond the call of duty.

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shafique wrote:You're not seriously going to tell me that the Israeli courts will imprison a Jewish married person on rape charges if he tells a lover he is single.


According to the ruling they should.
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I agree.

But no one seriously believes they would.

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Re: Rape by Deception? WTF?? Jul 23, 2010
Sounds like a default accusation of racism without proof, until proven innocent.
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Flying Dutchman wrote: Obviously the woman has a problem with se.x with somebody of another religion/ethnicity.


So, we all agree the lady was racist, don't we?

I'd love to see any quote from the Judges where they say it was because he lied about his marital status and not his race that he was convicted for rape.

But hey, as I said before, Kudos to you on your valiant single-handed defence of a racist prosecution by an Israeli court. I think you take the award for Chutzpah in arguing that this wasn't a racist prosecution.

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The full quote is:

Obviously the woman has a problem with se.x with somebody of another religion/ethnicity. I believe the same applies to the majority in the region, or are Muslima's now allowed to marry infidels?
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Re: Rape By Deception? WTF?? Jul 24, 2010
Yes, so you believe the woman is racist as we do. Just because you believe other women are also racist in the same way, doesn't really matter - I agreed with you that indeed many people in the region may share her racism.

The problem was that the Courts of Israel put a guy in jail because of her racism.

I thought that was obvious - but as I say, your defence of the Israeli system is commendable, even if it lacks credibility.

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Really, FD, it has nothing to do with the guy being Arab? How many cases of rape by deception has the court dealt with? I can just imagine a woman filing a case, "He told me he was rich, and I slept with him, but it turns out he wasn't! Put him in jail!" or a man filing a case, "She told me she was single, but she was married! Throw her in the slammer!". The court would be full of these cases and there would be a lot of people in jail for "rape by deception".
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Re: Rape by Deception? WTF?? Jul 26, 2010
^ read the OP.

This article caught my eye about the rape verdict...foaming left:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/jul/23/israel-turns-upon-its-own

First the usual blah blah and then:

Racism is the byproduct of the isolationism that is Israel's preferred form of regional interaction – it is the sniffy neighbour of the Middle East. The ban on travel to most Arab countries is of no consequence to the majority of Israelis, who could not be less interested in the region


ROFLMAO.

BEfore the Sinai bombing hunderds of thousand of Israeli's went yearly to the Sinai. Betra in Jordan is extremly popular and Turkey used to be the most popular Israeli vacation destination.

Almost no Jordanians visit Israel and Egyptians (and their famliy) are harassed by the secret police after a visit to Israel.

Hate over truth.
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Re: Rape By Deception? WTF?? Jul 26, 2010
I was listening to this who debacle on BBC who is in the middle of this whole thing. According to him he met this woman he introduced him self as Du Du which was explained is a nick name for David in Israel and they hit it off.

He was never asked if he is Jewish or not or anything of the sort. Nor did he say he was. She just assumed that since he introduced himself as dudu he must be jewish

Also apparently Shabbar Kashur ( the arab dude ) was originally charged with having brutally raped her as the lady had claimed earlier. But those charges were later dropped when the DA found that the sex had been consensual.

What went down was "Dudu" met a woman on the street, she apparently approached him, and after a few minutes talking (where he tells her he's single and does not inform her that he is an Arab), they decide to have sex and find a private spot and have said sex. Now, about a month or so later, Dudu is contacted by the police on the suspicion that he raped and indecently assaulted the woman involved. He was then placed under house arrest for 2 years. During this time, they found that the rape was consensual, but instead of dropping the charges, they charged him with rape by deception. The judges agreed..
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Re: Rape by Deception? WTF?? Jul 26, 2010
I also read that he said that his nickname is Dudu - so even that wasn't a lie.

As far as can be seen, I think the only crime was saying he was single.

Now, as far as I know - shagging someone you've just met on the street is not in the Torah, so one can't really blame the Jewish religion for the lady's racism, that's all on her. But the shocking fact that the police and judiciary punished the guy for bedding the 'lady' is still unbelievable to me - as unbelievable as those denying the obvious racist motives of this.

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From Haaretz - another Israeli who asks whether anyone really believes this case wasn't because of racism, and more..

The lies that blur lines

The rape conviction of an Arab who posed as a Jew not only reeks of racism, it poses a danger to the distinction between s.ex and sexual violence.


By Tsafi Saar

Sabbar Kashur was convicted of rape last week. His crime? He had consensual s.ex with a Jewish woman after posing as a Jewish bachelor, when in fact he is a married Arab. Kashur plans to appeal his 18-month jail sentence to the Supreme Court.

The ruling handed down quickly sparked numerous responses and interpretations. It is making waves in foreign media, too. If there was a chance that from now on, anyone who lied about being single and fooled someone would be tried in court, then perhaps we could entertain the possibility that racism was not involved. But does anyone - male or female - actually think this is the case?

After all, alongside "They'll take our jobs," the utterance "They'll sleep with our women" is one of the most emblematic claims of racists. What a natural partnership that exists between racism and male chauvinism; how they thrive together.

Discrimination against Arabs is not a rare phenomenon in Israel today, yet the intersection seen in this case - of nationality, gender, power relations between men and women, and the definition of rape - is unique.

The story brought to mind, among others, an earlier case involving s.exual offenses through deception. In 2003 Hen Alkobi was convicted of the attempted rape of two female minors, after she represented herself to them as a man and became romantically and sexually involved with them. Alkobi received a six-month sentence which was later reduced to community service.

In a similar case in the United States in 1995 (discussed by Dr. Aeyal Gross in an article entitled "Impersonation as Another Person: Imitation and Gender Insubordination in the Trial of Hen Alkobi" ) Sean O'Neill, who was born female but lived as a male, was charged with rape for having s.ex with four young women. He received 90 days in jail.

The Alkobi case lacks the nationalist angle, so what do Alkobi and Kashur have in common? Each of them lied to improve their social standing. Alkobi, a woman, pretended to be a man; Kashur, an Arab, pretended to be a Jew. Each one crossed a line that in today's Israel it is forbidden to cross. Alkobi crossed the gender line, and Kashur the national separation fence. Kashur, the "enemy," posed as a lover - not that this particular liar arouses our sympathy. In an interview with the Guardian following the incident, he claimed "Any person in my shoes would have done the same thing." Let's hope he's wrong.

Nevertheless, countless men lie about their marital status, profession, income and age - as do many women. But about nationality or gender? That's going too far, society says. At any moment the entire nationalist-patriarchal system could come crashing down; may God help us.

Consenting to sexual relations is a complex matter, there is no question, and rape is not only defined as a violent attack in a dark alley. Still, Kashur's conviction, in light of the circumstances that have been made public, is likely to harm the critical struggle to convict and punish rapists to the full extent of the law. For the act of rape, it is worth keeping in mind, is not se.x; it is sexual violence. The problem with the Kashur case - on top of the issues of racism - is the blurring of this significant border.

Rape serves as a weapon in innumerable national clashes around the world. Men fight and the winning side rapes the women on the losing side, to put it bluntly. This terrible custom, we must recognize, is rooted in civilization as we know it. And as long as this is the case, it's impossible to deny that something in the very foundations of our civilization is very rotten. Attention to all of you who don't understand what nudniky feminists are after.

http://www.haaretz.com/culture/arts-leisure/the-lies-that-blur-lines-1.304277
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A little follow up.


http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3929416,00.html

High Court of Justice releases Saber Kashour from house arrest; Arab man convicted of raping Jewish woman he lied to.

Kashour met the plaintiff in Jerusalem in September 2008 and proceeded to have sex with her within 10 minutes on the roof of a building, afterward leaving her there naked.

The judges in Kashour's trial ruled that he showed fundamental human indifference to his victim, and sentenced him to 18 months in prison in a plea bargain.
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Re: Rape By Deception? WTF?? Aug 04, 2010
The decision to defer sending him to prison pending an appeal is indeed welcome.

The same article you linked to above, actually begins with a bit more information:
The High Court of Justice ruled Tuesday that Sabar Kashour, convicted of rape after telling a woman he slept with that he was Jewish and single, should not head to jail just yet.

The court said Kashour's sentence should be put off for the time being, and also released him from house arrest.

Justice Asher Grunis ruled that "the possibility that the appeal would result in a mitigated sentence should not be discounted, thereby accepting the position presented by Kashour's attorney.

Kashour was convicted after telling a Jewish woman he was a single Jewish man interested in a serious relationship, even though he is Arab and married.

Kashour met the plaintiff in Jerusalem in September 2008 and proceeded to have sex with her within 10 minutes on the roof of a building, afterward leaving her there naked.



Let's see whether the racist ruling is overturned in appeal and whether anyone buys the argument that the guy leaving the woman naked or lying about being married is what the conviction is all about, and not the fact he was Arab and not Jewish.

As Haaretz puts it:
Court postpones jail term for Arab convicted of rape by posing as Jew
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When the woman found Kashur was not a Jew but an Arab, she filed a complaint that resulted in charges of rape and indecent assault.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/co ... w-1.305723



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Muslims don't have too much sympathy for him:

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July 21st, 2010 at 5:27 am

Israel most likely convicted him because of racism but you know what? He deserves it. Shame on him a million times for doing this. He deserved to be humiliated for participating in sex outside of marriage especially in this way. I dont feel a bit sorry for him, there are thousands of Palestinian men, women and children who are jailed in zionist prisons for refusing to accept to be humiliated and opressed or in other cases for simply being Palestinian.

Anyhow, i hope this incident and humiliation has caused him to repent so that he will refrain from doing such actions again.

As for the girl, she seems very confused, why go to bed with a person you have known in 15 minutes and then complain about him lying? is this a joke? Hope she as well has learned a lesson from this.


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As for this Palestinian guy, I can’t support a guy who is deceptive fornicates(zina) yet its interesting that the “israeli state” considers it rape(a very Talmudic definition considering how lowly us Goyim are) yet would be ok with two Jews fornicating? Such Chutzpah.


It's also interesting to read the conspiracy laden, hate infested drivel coming out of that site:

DrM Says:
July 22nd, 2010 at 2:55 pm

@Beautiful Muslim doll,

I don’t want to make this about “Lawrence,” but your assessment is incorrect. It’s a secular analysis like Chris Hedges’ which gives Evangelicals more pull then actually have. Evangelical Christians are no friends of the Muslim community considering Islam to be the “anti-Christ,” however they do not use language like “Arab animals.” Nor are they a majority. As organized as they are, most Americans are NOT Evangelicals, they may be Christofascists but they have no problems accepting converts from Islam, and want to preach their gospel to Muslims. Yes they are war mongers, fascists and worse but they don’t pretend to be Jews(minus the “Jews for Jesus” crowd). The proper term is “Shabbos goyim.”
Judeofascists like “Lawrence” consider Arabs(and Armenians in the past) to be “Amalek” the latest incarnation of their enemy which they believe are the progeny of Eve and the Serpent. Yeah I know it’s insane but this is what they believe. They also use Sabatean methodology which sanction them to pretend to be members of other religions or atheists while keeping a strong pro-Zionist line like Geert Wilders, AtaTurd, Talat Pasha, Stephen Schwartz, Sarkozy etc.


Beautiful Muslim Doll Says:
July 22nd, 2010 at 2:24 pm

“israeli state” considers it rape(a very Talmudic definition considering how lowly us Goyim are) ”

You mean to say that Christianity which sees all as condemned to hell unless they believe in their man deity, cannot possibly be Laurences religion? American Christians were a majority when they sanctioned slavery, because they thought the non Christian was nothing, that is why torture was rife. That is why Crusades were common, and that is why Christiantiy’s history has been blood filled, and genocidal.

A belief in a man god that forgives all sins is way worse than Jewish extremists who consider goyim lowly. So do Muslim extremists for that matter.


Imagine the twisted Burkhas if we replaced Christianity and Judaism with Islam ?

LoL.

It's also interesting that members there have screen names (which hyperlink back to their sites) such as 'Christian Right Watch'.

http://www.loonwatch.com/2010/07/arab-j ... eli-woman/
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Re: Rape By Deception? WTF?? Aug 04, 2010
Ah, so tell us young loon, what do religious Christians and Jews think about having it off with a stranger 10 minutes after you meet them on the street? Is the Torah and Bible silent on this point? What would your Pastor say?

And your post is bordering on 'what about-ery' - and I note that you don't actually condemn the racist verdict.

No surprises there - smoke and mirrors, smoke and mirrors. ;)

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