Radicalism Revives An Ancient Hatred

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Radicalism revives an ancient hatred Sep 11, 2012
Those believing there isn't a war against religious minorities will churn out any lies to uphold their spin.

The author makes one mistake, however, in citing the precedent of the Holocaust; Islamophobia is widely aired and routinely exaggerated in the West and East but, unlike "Islamophobia", Christianophobia is swept under the rug.

Is a new and shocking wave of anti-Semitism engulfing the Middle East and the developing world? Consider the following:

More than half the Jews in Iraq have been driven out of the country; those that remain are forced to pay a fine or leave their homes. Some are forced to marry Muslims.

In Syria, towns and villages where Jews have lived for centuries are now almost entirely Muslim; these communities have fled to safer parts of the country, where they hope to escape an anti-Semitic massacre.

In Egypt, the new regime is surreptitiously encouraging attacks on synagogues; the Jews, despised for their supposed wealth, fear that the “Arab spring” is about to release centuries of pent-up anti-Semitic hatred.

In Nigeria, Jews have been attacked and killed while studying scripture. In Bangladesh, Jewish children are being forced into madrassas. In Pakistan, the body of an 11-year-old Jewish boy was discovered this week; he’d been tortured to death and his lips sliced off.

You won’t have heard about this atrocious persecution. That’s because – forgive me – I’ve played one of the oldest tricks in the journalist’s book. For Jews, read Christians. For anti-Semitic, read anti-Christian. For synagogues read churches.

I hope Jewish readers won’t take offence: I’m not denying that actual anti-Semitism is spreading like a virus throughout Arab societies. It’s just that, if these attacks against Christians were being directed against Jews, the precedent of the Holocaust would shock the world into action....


http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/damia ... nt-hatred/

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Interesting to read the next two paragraphs of the article:

This new persecution is the result of the simultaneous revival of militant Islam in many countries. We can say that with confidence. What we can’t say, however, is that there is a co-ordinated Islamic plot to exterminate Christianity as a stepping stone to a universal caliphate.

Conspiracy theorists may derive emotional satisfaction from this idea, but it doesn’t correspond to the messy politics of the Middle East, North Africa and South Asia. Also, it lets the “Christian” West off the hook.


Vs eh's opening statement:
Those believing there isn't a war against religious minorities will churn out any lies to uphold their spin.


So, our resident anti-Muslim believer in conspiracy theories of a 'war against religious minorities' quotes from a piece which says it isn't a conspiracy after all.

The article does have a point about how had these attacks been against Jews there would have been a bigger coverage - but we should also recall that the 1000+ anti-semtic incidents taking place in the US each year (including the recent vicious attack on the student I posted about) - also don't get as much coverage either.

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The conspiracy theory according to the author is a co-ordinated effort to exterminate Christians.

You can have a "war" or persecution, according to the author, without believing in coordinated extermination programs.

Reading comprehension isn't a strong suit for Madrasah educated.

The article does have a point about how had these attacks been against Jews there would have been a bigger coverage


What the author unfortunately fails to mention is that overblown "Islamophobia" gets far more coverage.
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You obviously are a firm believer in the conspiracy theory - which the author says does not actually exist.

There isn't a co-ordinated plot to exterminate anyone or establish a khilafat etc - all pet conspiracies of the anti-Muslim brigade.

BTW Do the 1000+ anti-semtic incidents in the USA each year constitute a 'co-ordinated effort' to attack Jews in the US according to you?

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As the author points out by example, there is a war against Christians by radical Muslims:

More than half the Jews in Iraq have been driven out of the country; those that remain are forced to pay a fine or leave their homes. Some are forced to marry Muslims.

In Syria, towns and villages where Jews have lived for centuries are now almost entirely Muslim; these communities have fled to safer parts of the country, where they hope to escape an anti-Semitic massacre.

In Egypt, the new regime is surreptitiously encouraging attacks on synagogues; the Jews, despised for their supposed wealth, fear that the “Arab spring” is about to release centuries of pent-up anti-Semitic hatred.

In Nigeria, Jews have been attacked and killed while studying scripture. In Bangladesh, Jewish children are being forced into madrassas. In Pakistan, the body of an 11-year-old Jewish boy was discovered this week; he’d been tortured to death and his lips sliced off.



The author rightly points out this current war is a throwback to ancient hatred against Christians.
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No, he says that these separate events do not constitute a co-ordinated plot to exterminate Christianity. Fail.

Epic fail.

What we can’t say, however, is that there is a co-ordinated Islamic plot to exterminate Christianity..


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I wrote:The conspiracy theory according to the author is a co-ordinated effort to exterminate Christians.

You can have a "war" or persecution, according to the author, without believing in coordinated extermination programs.


I wrote:As the author points out by example, there is a war against Christians by radical Muslims:


troll wrote:No, he says that these separate events do not constitute a co-ordinated plot to exterminate Christianity. Fail.


Not very difficult; But we can agree the situation of Christians today is no different from Jews a few centuries prior - Christians have become the new "Jews".
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rayznack wrote:But we can agree the situation of Christians today is no different from Jews a few centuries prior..


Who is 'we'? Certainly not the author in the OP.

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Is a new and shocking wave of anti-Semitism engulfing the Middle East and the developing world? Consider the following:


What is this "new wave" the author is referring to? Probably not the 80's...
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The opening line in the article is a question, not a statement. :roll: (and the answer to the question is 'no')

I refer you my first post above - and consider whether you're one of the conspiracy theorists he's referring to or not.

But hey, if you and your blogger friends want to believe that there is a world-wide anti-Christian conspiracy that is like the historic persecution of Jews, you'll have to explain how come in your home country there are over 1000 anti-Semitic incidents each year, but you can only point to a lesser number of anti-Christian attacks +worldwide+?

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But hey, if you and your blogger friends want to believe that there is a world-wide anti-Christian conspiracy that is like the historic persecution of Jews


How isn't Christian persecution in the Muslim world like Jewish persecution?





you'll have to explain how come in your home country there are over 1000 anti-Semitic incidents each year, but you can only point to a lesser number of anti-Christian attacks +worldwide+?


Absolutely ridiculous to compare Antisemitic incidents in the US with the halving of the Christian population in Iraq, forced enrollment in Muslim extremist schools in Bangladesh and the targeted murder of hundreds of Christians in Nigeria.
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You're the one who's making the argument that there is a co-ordinated conspiracy against Christians that's comparable to historic anti-Semitic persecution.

You have to explain how then there are more anti-Semitic incidents in the US today, over 1000 per year, compared to the examples in the OP which he says aren't part of a world-wide anti-Christian conspiracy.

The author says the 'messy politics' is to blame and undermines your conspiracy theory. I suggest you read the article you quoted more carefully.

Shouldn't you be tackling your fellow Americans who commit the 1000+ anti-Semitic incidents as well? Why dream up a worldwide conspiracy of Muslim persecution?

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Re: Radicalism Revives An Ancient Hatred Sep 13, 2012
I wrote:How isn't Christian persecution in the Muslim world like Jewish persecution?


Why don't you simply address the above?

Shouldn't you be tackling your fellow Americans who commit the 1000+ anti-Semitic incidents as well? Why dream up a worldwide conspiracy of Muslim persecution?


So when do I get to say this when the next anti-Israel article comes around?
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