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Polish Government Crash - First Video Footage Apr 22, 2010
http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/r ... d_04212010

A few days ago, we received an email from Robert Jones at Blue Battle Flag, in which he included a link to what is believed to be the first video taken of the crash. Upon reviewing the video, after about the 50 second mark, observers report that three gun shots were fired over the course of about 30 seconds. While this seemed strange to us, we found it difficult to discern whether these were, in fact, gun shots or something else, as the plane was still on fire - though admittedly, whatever the tiny explosions were they sound like gun shots.

Today we learned that the videographer who shot and uploaded the film to Youtube, a Mr. Adrij Mendiere, was stabbed and taken to a hospital in Kiev on April 15th. Upon his arrival to the hospital he was still alive and placed on life support. The following day, however, it is reported that three individuals entered his room, removed the life support and Mr. Mendiere died.

The Russian government has reportedly responded to the question of Mr. Mendiere’s death by calling it a coincidence.


If you watched the video's added in the link, then go watch this one:


What do you make of all this?

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Re: Polish Government Crash - First Video Footage Apr 23, 2010
Conspiracy Theory or the biggest assination of recent history
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Re: Polish Government Crash - First Video Footage Apr 23, 2010
Watched the videos but can't say I could see the 'survivor' as claimed by the Americans. If these were the first witnesses on the scene, there seems to be very little evidence of bodies as the plane was carrying quite a few people?
Jury is still out on this one.
My Polish friends are all convinced it was a Russian plot but this could just be a shock reaction.

:( :( :(

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Re: Polish Government Crash - First Video Footage Apr 23, 2010
That sirene you heard was the fire truck arriving near the scene, so rescue workers are probably not present yet as the video shows. Some of us in the West might mistake the sirene for a cargo train. In russia this sirene comes from the ZIL 157 firetruck.


As for the 'survivor' that DK mentioned, I have a HQ download, but can't find the original link on the net anymore. I also didn't see 'a survivor' when I tried to identify one in the YouTube footage, but in HQ, you could identify a rather physically heavy man in white cloth, sitting and waving apparently confident having survived this, as far as can be distinguished from the moving imagery.

This whole crash is mystical. The quality of the vid doesn't add to its credibility.
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Re: Polish Government Crash - First Video Footage Apr 23, 2010
RobbyG wrote:That sirene you heard was the fire truck arriving near the scene, so rescue workers are probably not present yet as the video shows. Some of us in the West might mistake the sirene for a cargo train. In russia this sirene comes from the ZIL 157 firetruck.


It was a horn from ZIL 157, not the sirena on your video. The sirena on emergency trucks in Russia sounds absolutely the same as everywhere in the world. Moreover ZIL 157, which was launched in 1958, is almost extinct even from Fire Departments. That's why some of you on the West was absolutely correct about a cargo train.

As for Russian plot I just wonder how it could have happend except sending a missle to the passenger aircraft. I doubt that the latter was possible due to very little time for arrangment. The flight was not scheduled and distance from Warsaw to Smolensk is covered by aircraft for less than 1 hour.
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Re: Polish Government Crash - First Video Footage Apr 23, 2010
The sirena on emergency trucks in Russia sounds absolutely the same as everywhere in the world. Moreover ZIL 157, which was launched in 1958, is almost extinct even from Fire Departments.


Regarding the horn/sirene of the firetruck. They sound quite different in this country. ;)
Zil 157 extinct. LoL, I thought the Russians loved nostalgia. :wink: :lol:

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Re: Polish Government Crash - First Video Footage Apr 24, 2010
What would the Russians benefit from all this incase they were really involved?? :shock:
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Re: Polish Government Crash - First Video Footage Apr 24, 2010
Thast what I was thinking aswell.
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Re: Polish Government Crash - First Video Footage Apr 24, 2010
symmetric wrote:What would the Russians benefit from all this incase they were really involved?? :shock:


and the conspiracy theories shall begin,

Not so long ago there was this raging controversy over a proposed American missile shield to be based in Poland. Russia opposed that big time, as evidently the purpose of such a shield was to thwart any military threat from Russia into Europe. The now deceased Polish president had infact given the Americans the go ahead and there was a major fallout then. So this very much looks like some kinda Russian intelligence cum secret service mission.

Now check this out Georgian TV had actually foretold the murder of the Polish president via a air crash by the KGB.
http://www.spajza.net/georgian-tv-foret ... ssian-kgb/
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symmetric wrote:What would the Russians benefit from all this incase they were really involved?? :shock:


and the conspiracy theories shall begin,

Not so long ago there was this raging controversy over a proposed American missile shield to be based in Poland. Russia opposed that big time, as evidently the purpose of such a shield was to thwart any military threat from Russia into Europe. The now deceased Polish president had infact given the Americans the go ahead and there was a major fallout then. So this very much looks like some kinda Russian intelligence cum secret service mission.

Now check this out Georgian TV had actually foretold the murder of the Polish president via a air crash by the KGB.
http://www.spajza.net/georgian-tv-foret ... ssian-kgb/


He-he, That Georgian TV could not say something different after Russians made some diarrhea to Georgian troops after 08.08.08. On the other hand, Mr. Putin had some personal hostility to the high-profile visitors of Tbilisi at that time but the power has been changed in Poland and the new prime-minister is much friendly to Russia than Kachinski brothers were. The issue with interseptors was also resolved with Mr. Obama without asking opinion of Polls as usual.

So Polish president was absolutely harmless and decided nothing at time of crash.
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Re: Polish Government Crash - First Video Footage Apr 24, 2010
My gut feeling says that the FSB was involved. But hey, I'm just an observer.

Lets speculate for a second. We have:

1. video footage, showing us (Russian speaking) individuals walking and talking in the woods near the crash site, potentially shooting four shots.
2. video footage, where I indeed are able to identify a posture waving, indicating a survivor, which seems plausible since the aircraft merely dropped from an altitude of 15 meters to the ground.
In January 2009, the Turkish Airlines crash in Amsterdam had 9 dead out of 135 which stalled and dropped from an altitude of 150 meters. One and one = is normally two....
3. Russian media reports indicating that the top top military pilots of the Polish Presidential plane had to try four times to line up for the unsuccesful landing. The military pilots were reportedly experienced with the airfield but captured by dense fog, while bystanders were clearly able to see the plane bank to the left trying to land. Hard to believe the pilots didn't see the landing strip.

So, lets consider this even more speculative perspective:
4. Tupulev had been remodelled in Russia, where a FSB tampering with the airconditioning could have been taking place, perhaps installing some toxic gas release module with a hard to detect type of tranquilizer, desorientating the military pilots. Nothing new for secret service methods, see Israel.
5. Pilots could not function properly and tried to land multiple times, while indicating that a diversion wasn't needed. Experienced pilots reaction or incapacity to judge clearly? I opt for the latter here.
6. Plane crashes and FSB pulls a few triggers to eliminate survivors and storytellers.

Or 7a. All a bunch of bullocks. Polish Presidential plane crash is simply a pilot error, because you always choose the worst type of pilots for flying a recently overhauled Presidential Tupulev on a familiar route.

7b. Murphy's law was simply unavoidable. Everybody knows that Presidential planes have lousy maintenance checks... ;)

Everything happens for a reason. This story reeks of political and strategic motives, just when Obama is cosying up with the Russian administration. You have to admit, the timing was great... 8)
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Re: Polish Government Crash - First Video Footage Apr 24, 2010
RobbyG wrote:4. Tupulev had been remodelled in Russia, where a FSB tampering with the airconditioning could have been taking place, perhaps installing some toxic gas release module with a hard to detect type of tranquilizer, desorientating the military pilots.

:idea: It was probably Polonium (had called after Poland) which has poisoned the pilots for a half year after renovation.
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Re: Polish Government Crash - First Video Footage Apr 24, 2010
Polonium is traceable. Decay time is 138 days. The timing doesn't match up ;)

Besides, Po-210 is ever more rare than Radium. Difficult to swallow from uranium coating below the wings of an old Tupulev. Not plausible Chief :D

By mass, polonium-210 is around 250,000 times more toxic than hydrogen cyanide (the actual LD50 for 210Po is about 1 microgram for an 80 kg person (see below) compared with about 250 milligrams for hydrogen cyanide[33]). The main hazard is its intense radioactivity (as an alpha emitter), which makes it very difficult to handle safely: one gram of Po will self-heat to a temperature of around 500 °C (932 °F).[3] Even in microgram amounts, handling 210Po is extremely dangerous, requiring specialized equipment and strict handling procedures. Alpha particles emitted by polonium will damage organic tissue easily if polonium is ingested, inhaled, or absorbed, although they do not penetrate the epidermis and hence are not hazardous if the polonium is outside the body.


Aleksandr Litvinenko was poisoned in London with 10 times the amount of deadly Po-210 dumped in a can of tea. The amount was worth around 7.5 million euro's.

Talking about sending a message... :D
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Re: Polish Government Crash - First Video Footage Apr 24, 2010
RobbyG wrote:Polonium is traceable. Decay time is 138 days. The timing doesn't match up ;)


It's a half-life, genius. You should have visited your school more frequently. :wink: :D

Talking about sending a message...
to Poland. :roll:
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Red Chief wrote:
RobbyG wrote:Polonium is traceable. Decay time is 138 days. The timing doesn't match up ;)


It's a half-life, genius. You should have visited your school more frequently. :wink: :D


You got me. I aint no scientist MisChief. You get my point :D
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Re: Polish Government Crash - First Video Footage Apr 26, 2010
Red Chief wrote:
Misery Called Life wrote:
symmetric wrote:What would the Russians benefit from all this incase they were really involved?? :shock:


and the conspiracy theories shall begin,

Not so long ago there was this raging controversy over a proposed American missile shield to be based in Poland. Russia opposed that big time, as evidently the purpose of such a shield was to thwart any military threat from Russia into Europe. The now deceased Polish president had infact given the Americans the go ahead and there was a major fallout then. So this very much looks like some kinda Russian intelligence cum secret service mission.

Now check this out Georgian TV had actually foretold the murder of the Polish president via a air crash by the KGB.
http://www.spajza.net/georgian-tv-foret ... ssian-kgb/


He-he, That Georgian TV could not say something different after Russians made some diarrhea to Georgian troops after 08.08.08. On the other hand, Mr. Putin had some personal hostility to the high-profile visitors of Tbilisi at that time but the power has been changed in Poland and the new prime-minister is much friendly to Russia than Kachinski brothers were. The issue with interseptors was also resolved with Mr. Obama without asking opinion of Polls as usual.

So Polish president was absolutely harmless and decided nothing at time of crash.


LOL, yes Mr. Obama did capitulate to the King Putin. That said his arguments were baseless, and there was considerable opposition to it, with the Poles actively campaigning to resurrect the deal. Nonetheless the SM_3 interceptors will still be planted by 2018. Besides apart from the president, let's not forget the numerous other officials, cabinet members as well as Military chief also on board.
And now with elections round the corner I'm pretty certain we have another pro Putin puppet government coming up.

Secondly why is Putin in charge of the investigations? Lets admit they are doing evrything they can to control the information that's coming out.

The death of the president will form a vacuum which won't be easily filled easily filled, someone will take advantage of the situation. Opportunity is never by coincidence. Anyone remember Ron Brown?

Then again why no information on the black box?

Hey Robby ur the aviations guy, tell me is it possible to calibrate the altimeter to read incorrectly?
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Re: Polish Government Crash - First Video Footage Apr 26, 2010
Misery Called Life wrote: And now with elections round the corner I'm pretty certain we have another pro Putin puppet government coming up.

You are absolutely WRONG !!! It's going to be Putin's government without the puppet. :wink: :D
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Red Chief wrote:
Misery Called Life wrote: And now with elections round the corner I'm pretty certain we have another pro Putin puppet government coming up.

You are absolutely WRONG !!! It's going to be Putin's government without the puppet. :wink: :D


No no the first Putin puppet government was in Ukraine with Viktor Yanukovych coming to power, now Poland...who next?
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Re: Polish Government Crash - First Video Footage Apr 26, 2010
Misery Called Life wrote:No no the first Putin puppet government was in Ukraine with Viktor Yanukovych coming to power, now Poland...who next?

I don't think that Yanukovich is a puppet. He has desperate situation. All export oriented industries of the South East Ukrain (which Yanukovich presents) are not viable without cheap Russian gas.

You are right in one thing only - most enemies of Mr. Putin are in deep $hit: Youschenko, Bakiev... I don't know if it's a coinsidence. :wink:

As for Poland as I said the prime-miniater Donal Tusk is friendly enough. On the other hand, president there doesn't have the power to form the government. So in my view there was no political reason to set up the crash.
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Re: Polish Government Crash - First Video Footage Apr 26, 2010
As far as I understand the situation in Poland, is that most pro-US hawks are dead now. That means Putin has the odds to play with for a pro Russian 'democratic' government in Poland in the next election. Am I wrong?

@MCL: The Tupulev was remodelled in Russia, so if some individuals really want bad things, anything can be tampered with. You just need the right people in the right places to make it work. Government has special grants and rights to access almost any premises in its country for 'airworthiness inspections'.

Who said it again? 'Impossible is Nothing'... ;)

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