Palestinian Leader: Will Recognise Israel - Checkmate?

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Palestinian Leader: Will Recognise Israel - Checkmate? Oct 14, 2010
Over to Israel now - provide a map of Israel that does not include land captured in 1967, including East Jerusalem and the Palestinians will recognise Israel as 'whatever it wants'.

"It is important for us to know where are the borders of Israel and where are the borders of Palestine. Any formulation the Americans present – even asking us to call Israel the 'Chinese State' – we will agree to it, as long as we receive the 1967 borders. We have recognized Israel in the past, but Israel has not recognized the Palestinian state."

A brilliant diplomatic move, IMO. Over to the Israel now. (And I expect the usual hysteria from the fanbois.)

PLO chief: We will recognize Israel in return for 1967 borders
Yasser Abed Rabbo says that in exchange for accepting Palestinian territorial claims, it will recognize Israel as 'whatever it wants.'
By Avi Issacharoff

Senior Palestine Liberation Organization official Yasser Abed Rabbo said on Wednesday that the Palestinians will be willing to recognize the State of Israel in any way that it desires, if the Americans would only present a map of the future Palestinian state that includes all of the territories captured in 1967, including East Jerusalem.

In response to U.S. State Department Spokesman Phillip Crowley's statement on Tuesday night that the Palestinians should respond to the Israeli demand, Abed Rabbo told Haaretz, "We want to receive a map of the State of Israel which Israel wants us to accept."

"If the map will be based on the 1967 borders and will not include our land, our houses and East Jerusalem, we will be willing to recognize Israel according to the formulation of the government within the hour," added Rabbo.

Abed Rabbo continued, "It is important for us to know where are the borders of Israel and where are the borders of Palestine. Any formulation the Americans present – even asking us to call Israel the 'Chinese State' – we will agree to it, as long as we receive the 1967 borders. We have recognized Israel in the past, but Israel has not recognized the Palestinian state."


http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-d ... s-1.318835

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But we all know that Israel has made it plainly clear, over and over again, that they do not recognize the pre-1967 borders. Am I missing something here???


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Re: Palestinian Leader: Will Recognise Israel - Checkmate? Oct 14, 2010
The problem is that International Law and pretty much all peace proposals starting with UN Resolution 242 calls for Israel to stop occupying land captured in 1967 (i.e. return the 22% of what was called 'the country of Palestine' in 1930 in the Hope Simpson report, to the Palestinians and keep the 78% - still a big gain from the 55% allocated to them by the UN.)

What's generally missing is that the Israelis blame the Palestinians for holding up the peace - and insisting they 'recognise Israel' has now been smartly countered.

They can't say that the Palestinians refuse to recognise Israel just because they have linked it to Israel obeying the law (or at least specifying what land it wants to call Israel).

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shafique wrote:The problem is that International Law and pretty much all peace proposals starting with UN Resolution 242 calls for Israel to stop occupying land captured in 1967 (i.e. return the 22% of what was called 'the country of Palestine' in 1930 in the Hope Simpson report, to the Palestinians and keep the 78% - still a big gain from the 55% allocated to them by the UN.)

What's generally missing is that the Israelis blame the Palestinians for holding up the peace - and insisting they 'recognise Israel' has now been smartly countered.

They can't say that the Palestinians refuse to recognise Israel just because they have linked it to Israel obeying the law (or at least specifying what land it wants to call Israel).

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Of course, the whole world knows that, but they cannot do anything about it. It's like an exercise in futility. Sorry to say, it ain't gonna happen!!!

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I agree - it is a diplomatic move in response to a diplomatic move. (The Palestinians have already agreed to land swaps as a solution - this is in the 2000 Arab peace plan.)

The proof of the pudding will be how much of the land Israel has occupied it will pull out from - that's the crux. The rest is smoke and mirrors.

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He denies it:

The PLO official further denied speaking with Israeli daily Haaretz on Wednesday, where he reportedly said "If the map will be based on the 1967 borders and will not include our land, our houses and East Jerusalem, we will be willing to recognize Israel according to the formulation of the government within the hour."


http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=323786

Before 1967 there were no borders, just armictice lines, or did I miss a pre-1967 peace deal with any Arab country before 1967...242 doesn't call for Israel to leave all territories conquered in 1967. History doesn't start at 1967 :idea: .

Problem isn't really the borders, anybody knows how this pretty much will turn out...a Palestinian state in most of the Westbnak with some land swaps and East-Jerusalem as the Palestinian capital. Problem are the (hereditary) refuguees.
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A quick search shows that the quote is correct, but was given to AFP and not Haaretz (sloppy reporting there Haaretz):
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/ar ... 4f1563.1c1

So, the substance of the first post still stands (as the quote is accurate).

As I said, the crux will be how much of the land captured in 1967 will Israel give up (or exchange).

That they control 62% of the West Bank and are still building is an eye-opener to many- and worth repeating:
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BBC also summarises the situation in the occupied West Bank:
*62% under full Israeli control. This area contains all Israeli settlements, roads used by settlers, buffer zones and almost all of the Jordan Valley
• 38% under Palestinian civil control. In more than half of this, Israel has security control
• There are 149 settlements and 100 outposts (settlements not authorised by Israel)
• Population: 2.4 million Palestinians, nearly 500,000 Jewish or Israeli settlers

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-11477037


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shafique wrote:So, the substance of the first post still stands (as the quote is accurate).


No, Haaretz quoted incorrectly.
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Re: Palestinian Leader: Will Recognise Israel - Checkmate? Oct 14, 2010
^Maybe not.

Rabbo made a series of interviews, so perhaps he just forgot what he said to Haaretz?:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 05017.html

Haaretz did ask him for clarifications:
Haaretz also asked Abed Rabbo if this was just his personal opinion or if the position represented the PLO. The comments represent both the PLO's position and his own, he replied.

Presumably, the Palestinian leadership is currently attempting to throw the ball back into Israel's court.

http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/ne ... s-1.318942

Substance still the same though - a wonderful diplomatic move that has put the ball back in Israel's court (and caused problems for Rabbo himself!)

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Re: Palestinian Leader: Will Recognise Israel - Checkmate? Oct 14, 2010
International Law. The word does not exist in the Israeli vocabulary.
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Re: Palestinian Leader: Will Recognise Israel - Checkmate? Oct 15, 2010
Which vocabulary does international law exist in?
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Re: Palestinian Leader: Will Recognise Israel - Checkmate? Oct 15, 2010
Not yours
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Re: Palestinian Leader: Will Recognise Israel - Checkmate? Oct 15, 2010
Bob Saget called, he wants his humor back.
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Re: Palestinian Leader: Will Recognise Israel - Checkmate? Oct 15, 2010
He desperately needs it too ;)
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Re: Palestinian Leader: Will Recognise Israel - Checkmate? Oct 16, 2010
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/abbas-we-ll-never-sign-deal-demanding-recognition-of-israel-as-jewish-state-1.319329

Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas said Friday that under no circumstances would the PA sign an agreement with Israel which required the recognition of Israel as a Jewish state or a land swap.

"If we showed flexibility on these issues the peace agreement would have been signed a long time ago," Abbas said.


Bye, bye two-state solution. Back to the zero-sum game.
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Re: Palestinian Leader: Will Recognise Israel - Checkmate? Oct 16, 2010
Bibi's game is quite rightly called 'cheap gimmikry' by the Economist:

http://www.economist.com/blogs/newsbook ... allegiance

Israel is really losing it big time these days on the PR front. No wonder the fanbois are so agitated.

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Re: Palestinian Leader: Will Recognise Israel - Checkmate? Oct 16, 2010
I'm telling ya, if Palestinians have to declare their "loyalty" to Israel, Israel's next step is to ban the Arabic language and require them to speak Yiddish!!
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Re: Palestinian Leader: Will Recognise Israel - Checkmate? Oct 16, 2010
First its a great diplomatic move by the PLO to recognize Israel as a jewish state, when it appears to be another gimmick/misquote, it is Netanyahu who is 'cheap gimmikry'. :roll:

By not recognizing Israel as jewish ever, Abbas shut the door the for a two state solution. Because thats what a two state solution is about: a jewish state and an arab state. A continuation of a long sad history of rejectionism and never to miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity. Its not the Arab Palestinian leaders who suffer because of this, they live in big villa's in Ramallah or Gaza, its Ahmed on the street who suffers from its leaders incompetence.
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Re: Palestinian Leader: Will Recognise Israel - Checkmate? Oct 16, 2010
Bibi's move is a Gimmick - definitely.

The Palestinian diplomatic move to say they'll agree to recognise Israel as whatever it likes AS LONG as they provide a map of the borders of Israel that exclude the 22% of Palestine they captured in 1967 is a stroke of genius.

Gimmickry countered by genius.

No wonder fanbois No1 is inventing stats about Islamic terrorism!! Smoke and mirrors.

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