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As I said, why should anyone be surprised that Zionists try to deny historical facts?

FD must be kicking himself that he brought up the historical report.

The fact that the Zionist colonies practiced apartheid policies in 1930 (when they were still a minority of colonies) is remarkable - and exposes the fact that the issue is not with the religion or nationality of the colonists, but with their ideology. The PICA colonists did not practice apartheid and got on well with the natives.

Hope-Simpson's fears were proved right.

Cheers,
Shafique

Huh? Too much projection.

The fact that the Zionist colonies practiced apartheid policies in 1930 (when they were still a minority of colonies) is remarkable - and exposes the fact that the issue is not with the religion or nationality of the colonists, but with their ideology. The PICA colonists did not practice apartheid and got on well with the natives.

The fact Pal-Arab living conditions dramatically improved and were higher than their Arab neighbors completely undermines your spin.

And as a reminder, the hiring policies of private businesses, especially small businesses, does not an apartheid make.

Unless you don't mind if someone accuses you apartheid because they can't live in the bathroom of your apartment.

Young loon, you're missing the point completely yet again.

What Hope-Simpson points out is that the Arab Palestinians did indeed benefit from the PICA colonies - precisely because these European Jewish colonists did not have apartheid policies.

In 1930, the non-apartheid colonies were in the majority.

The Zionist colonies were proud of their apartheid rules and justified them in the report. Hope Simpson prophetically states that if the Zionist Colonies got their way, there would be trouble between the colonists and the native Palestinians.

It is notable that you are stubbornly avoiding the fate of Palestinians from the time that the Zionists took over all the colonies - the stats about Palestinian farmland, industry, employment and general wealth all show that Hope-Simpson was right - Zionist apartheid policies are detrimental to Palestinians.

The fact that the PICA colonies got on well with the Palestinians shows that the issue is not one of race or religion, but rather of the racist policies that the Zionist colonials insisted on applying.

Cheers,
Shafique

In 1930, the non-apartheid colonies were in the majority.

Unfortunately for you argument, Arab living conditions continued to increased throughout the 40's.

Some just don't do facts.

The Zionist colonies were proud of their apartheid rules and justified them in the report

Thank you for your belief, private business practices are not apartheid.

Hope Simpson prophetically states that if the Zionist Colonies got their way, there would be trouble between the colonists and the native Palestinians.

There was trouble before Hope-Simpson report. So I guess his findings weren't all that prophetic.

Zionist apartheid policies are detrimental to Palestinians.

Let's see the facts.

Provide data showing that the living conditions of Pal-Arabs declined in the forties and compare their living conditions to their Arab neighbors.

but rather of the racist policies that the Zionist colonials insisted on applying.

Tell the BET that they're racist.

Go ahead, old 'n' chubby loon. Let's hear how racist minority run businesses are.

Young loon, I asked you to compare the plight of the Palestinians before and after the Zionist Colonies took over and imposed the apartheid policies on all the colonies.

Whilst the Zionist colonies were in the minority - the Palestinians did benefit from the European Jewish Colonies of the PICA (Palestinian Jewish Colonisation Authority). PICA colonies with their non-racist policies were still active in the 40s.

You do realise you're just trying to rationalise racist, apartheid policies which were seen in 1930 to be dangerous, and proved to be exactly so. It needn't have been as such.

Epic fail. Again.

Cheers,
Shafique

Young loon, I asked you to compare the plight of the Palestinians before and after the Zionist Colonies took over and imposed the apartheid policies on all the colonies.

I told you, the Pal-Arab living conditions continued to improve throughout the forties.

Some just don't do facts.

You do realise you're just trying to rationalise racist, apartheid policies which were seen in 1930 to be dangerous, and proved to be exactly so. It needn't have been as such.

You do realize that Pal-Arab living conditions continued to improve throughout the forties.

Despite your spin, the bottom line is that Pal Arab well being, as a whole, improved, not declined, throughout the late thirties and forties.

Loons just don't do facts.

Young loon, you are embarrassing yourself now.

The non-racist colonies were still active in the 1940s, and indeed was only taken over by the Zionists in the 50s. You don't like looking up facts do you??

So, care to explain why you are supporting apartheid policies?

Cheers,
Shafique

Funny, so the story now changes.

So the PICA/'Zionist' owned land is irrelevant and was a red herring since the State of Israel was already created by the time the 1950s rolled around.

You could have just said, 'no, I don't have any evidence for my loon belief that Jewish immigration to Palestine resulted in declining standards of living for the Arabs'.

LOL - the loon is trying to back-pedal!!

Hope-Simpson documents the apartheid policies of the minority Zionist colonies in 1930 and prophetically states that if these apartheid policies are extended, there will be trouble.

Young loon after labouring under the misinformed spin that Palestinians prospered because of the Zionist Colonies (rather than the PICA colonies who were not racist, but were Jewish and European) - now is trying to throw up a smoke and mirrors defence!

But the stark fact is, the young loon is trying to justify apartheid policies and is ignoring historical facts.

Such as it always was when loon theory comes up against facts.

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique wrote:It is notable that you are stubbornly avoiding the fate of Palestinians from the time that the Zionists took over all the colonies - the stats about Palestinian farmland, industry, employment and general wealth all show that Hope-Simpson was right - Zionist apartheid policies are detrimental to Palestinians.

The fact that the PICA colonies got on well with the Palestinians shows that the issue is not one of race or religion, but rather of the racist policies that the Zionist colonials insisted on applying.

So the point was not that it was Jewish Immigration from Europe that caused harm to the native Palestinians (of whatever religion). The Jewish Immigrants who belonged to the earlier group of colonialists - the Palestine Jewish Colonisation Association (PICA) didn't cause harm but brought economic benefits to the region. So it was not the immigration, the nationality/race or religion of the colonists that was an issue.

The Zionist Colonies then came along and introduced apartheid rules and practices that Hope-Simpson fore-saw would cause problems if they were widely adapted.

I guess that eh went away and checked the historical facts and saw this was indeed the case - or perhaps he is hoping that silence will obscure these facts?

Cheers,
Shafique

If you can't identify what harm was caused from Zionist small business practices, then how are you able to determine that any harm was actually ever done?

Besides, pointing to alleged incidents in the fifties is a bit weird, especially since the practices of the 'Zionist' land owners would have been moot by then by then, and I believe the government took over their land.

Sorry I wasn't clearer.

Hope-Simpson clearly states what harm the apartheid policies of the Zionist colonies were in 1930. Do you wish me to quote that section again to you, or are you happy to look it up yourself?

His point was that if the apartheid policies spread, the problems would be greater. He was proved right.

He also made the point of describing the good relations between the non-Zionist Jewish colonists from Europe and the local Palestinians - noting that it was not uncommon to see them sitting together and socialising. (I think he said sitting together drinking - but I forget the exact quote.)

It goes to show, the issue is more to do with the apartheid policies of the Zionists rather than the immigration from Europe, per se.

Cheers,
Shafique