Iraqi Shoe-thrower Shot By U.S.

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Re: Iraqi Shoe-thrower Shot By U.S. Apr 26, 2010
desertdudeshj wrote:( PIF ) PAF is just like ( Rif ) RAF ;)


I read that UAE bought a lot of modern helicopters as well. On the other hand, British pilots is forced to use aged Soviet ones in Afghanistan because their government cannot support them with brand-new heli.

:idea: If UAE employed them it would be the only chance for the poor guys to be in contact with modern technology. It could be a win-win solution.

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Re: Iraqi shoe-thrower shot by U.S. Apr 26, 2010
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3. Iraq was TOTALLY the same as the African banana republics! You want me to cite Angola, Congo, Rwanda, Biafra, Uganda? Essentially internecine tribal warfare under the control of an aggressive despot who was raping his own country for his own monetary and power mad benefit.


Let's listen to what this Iraqi lady who is in her forties says about saddam, she surely must know better than us...

April 14, 2010

Saddam Hussein's Iraq.

There is no topic that can stir as much controversy as that of Saddam Hussein....amazing when you think about it....The man, the president has been dead for over 4 years now...but still....his name enrages and stirs even the most subdued....

Some people absolutely hate him and some absolutely love him and some compare and contrast....the before and the after....

I personally have no problem with Saddam Hussein....as a person and as a leader...I was never a Baathist, I never belonged to any party --- am too independent in my head to be accepted by anyone, let alone a party...

None of my family were members of the Baath either....we always distanced ourselves from mass movements -- not so much out of elitism, we just never felt the need to carry a membership card...

And even though some in my family were strong sympathizers of the Iraqi Communist Party -- I personally always kept my distance....

I know some Iraqis blame Saddam Hussein and the Baath for EVERY THING that went wrong in their lives....I cannot be an ostrich and deny that fact....some would even go as far as saying that it is Saddam Hussein that enabled the americans and iranians to occupy Iraq . That for me is preposterous....and it defies all logic...

And trust me, I can be very cold blooded and logical when I want to be...and history, at least contemporary history shows that Saddam Hussein actually thwarted both the american and iranian expansionist plans to take over Iraq by at least 20 years...

Then there is the issue of the Kurds and the Shias...another hot topic of discussion whenever Iraqis are present...

So whenever that comes up, I always ask the same question....and that usually shuts up my interlocutor.

And that question is -- which country in the Middle East gave rights to its minorities like Saddam Hussein did?

Be it Christians, Yazidis, Sabaens, Shias or Kurds...

Did Syria, Iran or Turkey give autonomy to the Kurds like Saddam's Iraq did ? The answer is a flat NO.

Did any of the Arab countries safeguard the rights of Arab Christians like Saddam's Iraq did ? The answer is a flat NO.

Did any country in the Middle East/Arab world engage as many Shias in the political process as Saddam's Iraq did ? The answer is again a flat NO

Look at Iran itself...how many Iranian Sunnis are in executive positions ? NONE.

In Iran if you are not from the Jaafari Shiite brand you cannot by law and by constitution reach any position of power....it is a constitutional impossibility.

Can you say the same about Saddam Hussein's government ? Of course not. Over 60% of BOTH the Baath party as well as the leadership was Shia.

Can you deny that ? No you can't . I have names and you don't.

Furthermore, you need to look at sociological indexes. Which country in the Arab world and in the Middle East had as many mixed marriages like in Iraq - between Sunnis and Shias, between Muslims and Christians ?

Come on now, give me figures, don't just sit and talk from your ass.

Sociological indexes are very important because they are indicators....they show percentages of participation, in civic, political, and economic life....

Does Lebanon, Bahrain, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait or Syria show that much of "mingling", inter-relationship by marriage between Sunnis and Shias and between Muslims and Christians as Iraq's Saddam Hussein did ? The answer is a flat NO.

These are the facts I use...and will always use....to denounce you. You and your lies...

And as I said in my previous post -- you can threaten me as much as you like with your death threats...it won't change a damn thing....Truth remains Truth.


http://arabwomanblues.blogspot.com/2010 ... ssein.html

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Ta-da!
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She makes some very valid points and obviously has all the facts to hand. However...she ends by stating she is ignoring all the death threats. From whom?
She denounces 'them'. Who is 'They'?
If 'They' were exiled Baathist Saddam supporters, why would they be threatening her when she is advocating that he did good for the country?
If 'They' are the current management in Iraq, again why would they threaten her as she is merely stating that Iraq is still one of the states in the Arab world with the most freedom in terms of inter denominational marriage?
She does have a go at Iran...and of course they would never threaten anyone, now would they?

And as for the Kurds, yes he did give them an independent area, on the side of a bare mountain with nothing but rocks to eat, and then proceeded to bomb them with Cyclon-B! 'Chemical Ali' was not so named for no reason...

Nice!

:shock: :shock: :shock:

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Well actually there are a lot of similar Iraqi voices. When asked but now you have democarcy freedom of speech etc etc. They agree but also state that these thing don't put food on your table, provide jobs or security.

One of my former Indian collegues worked for a number of years in the famous baghdad hotel ( The one with the Bush's face on the floor in front of the main door ) as a bar tender for quite a number of years. He said pay was good, majority of the people were happy there was very good security and very less violent crime, decent infastructure, standard of living also decent, Gas dirt cheap and good were cheap. Overall not a bad picture at all.

A far cry from today after having been " freed "
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