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Immune from Spin this time? Jun 25, 2010
I think even the fanbois will struggle to spin this one. Israeli plans to demolish houses in occupied East Jerusalem (illegally annexed by Israel) is categorically labelled illegal ('duh - of course', you may say). With even Barak (Ehud not Obama) being critical over this municipal plan, it is almost perplexing how much Israel seems to be losing it of late and why fanbois are now scouring history books and Memri videos! ;)


UN chief says Israeli plan for east Jerusalem is illegal
06.23.2010 | AFP

UNITED NATIONS (AFP) – UN chief Ban Ki-moon on Wednesday voiced concern that an Israeli plan to raze 22 Arab homes to make way for an archaeological park in annexed east Jerusalem is “unhelpful” and against international law.

Ban “is deeply concerned about the decision by the Jerusalem Municipality to advance planning for house demolitions and further settlement activity in the area of Silwan in East Jerusalem,” the secretary general’s spokesman Martin Nesirky said in a statement.

“The planned moves are contrary to international law, and to the wishes of Palestinian residents,” the statement said.

Ban “reminds the Israeli Government of its responsibility to ensure provocative steps are not taken which would heighten tensions in the city. The current moves are unhelpful, coming at a time when the goal must be to build trust to support political negotiations,” the statement added.

The park, which is planned for a crumbling Arab neighborhood just outside the walls of the Old City, was approved by Jerusalem city council on Monday in a move that drew criticism both at home and abroad.

The plan was put before the city’s planning and building committee on Monday, which approved Gan Hamelech, the Hebrew name for an area outside the Old City known as Al-Bustan to its mostly Arab residents.

Under the plan, 22 homes would be razed, while another 66 would be legalized. The 88 homes all had been slated for demolition because they were built without Israeli permits.

The issue is all the more sensitive as most of the international community does not recognize Israel’s annexation of east Jerusalem since June 1967.

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Re: Immune from Spin this time? Jun 25, 2010
Reminds me of Hamas' demolition of dozens of Pal-Arab homes in the Gaza strip.

Only that time, you defended Hamas for demolishing (including reports of Hamas members beating residents) the homes because they were supposedly built illegally.

Also, there (funnily enough) never was a condemnation of Hamas' actions by the UN.

But what is really interesting - besides the hypocrisy, of course - is that Israel is demolishing some poorly constructed illegal homes so that Israel can renovate the area. Moreover, Israel is legalizing 723 Arab homes that were built there illegally.

But hey, why let facts get in the way of the chorus of international condemnation?
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Re: Immune from Spin this time? Jun 25, 2010
Never underestimate the tenacity of loons to try and spin a story! ;)

But diversion is not spin - so I guess, the story about illegality of actions in Jerusalem is unspinnable!

(Although, we should let FD have a go before we conclude this).

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Re: Immune from Spin this time? Jun 25, 2010
Yes, it is illegal to illegally build homes.

Didn't see anything in your article that the demolition of these homes were illegal.

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Re: Immune From Spin This Time? Jun 25, 2010
Is this what the UN said was illegal?

Or are you supporting the illegal annexation of East Jerusalem and mistaking the laws passed by illegal annexor as being legitimate?

Unspinnable.

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Re: Immune from Spin this time? Jun 25, 2010
The park, which is planned for a crumbling Arab neighborhood just outside the walls of the Old City, was approved by Jerusalem city council on Monday in a move that drew criticism both at home and abroad.

The plan was put before the city’s planning and building committee on Monday, which approved Gan Hamelech, the Hebrew name for an area outside the Old City known as Al-Bustan to its mostly Arab residents.


Seems perfectly legal to me.

On the other hand, why was there no condemnation against Hamas' bulldozing of Pal-Arab homes in the Gaza strip?

Why wasn't that considered illegal by the UN?

Perhaps these loops in logic are the reason why no-one takes an organization whose 'peacekeepers' trade food for s.ex in the nations they are 'guarding' very seriously these days.
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Re: Immune From Spin This Time? Jun 25, 2010
What 'seems perfectly legal' to you is moot. Thank God for that.

You're rambling again. When you have something to say on the legality of annexation (to back up your 'beliefs') and the UN's categoric statement, let me know.

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Re: Immune from Spin this time? Jun 25, 2010
As I said, it seemed pretty legal to me.

But thank you for highlighting the anti Israeli bias in the UN and the world in general.

When Hamas bulldozes the home of Pal-Arabs and beats residents, the world yawns.

When Israel bulldozes illegally built homes, the UN steps in to declare the actions 'illegal', supposedly.

yawn.
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Re: Immune From Spin This Time? Jun 25, 2010
You're rambling again, as well as calling something illegal 'legal'. 'Sorry your honour, but it appeared legal to me - honest'

I guess you're not too fussed about what laws actually say, you've got your own set of values and that's all that matters. ;)

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Re: Immune from Spin this time? Jun 25, 2010
Sigh.

The bulldozing of these illegally built homes by the Jerusalem authorities was a legal action.
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Re: Immune From Spin This Time? Jun 25, 2010
Yawn.

Thanks for sharing your views that the UN secretary general is wrong on a point of law. Are you a judge/lawyer?

(You really should stop believing the Israelis that they are immune from international law and haven't illegally annexed East Jerusalem - I mean, even your government hasn't said the annexation is legal)

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Re: Immune from Spin this time? Jun 26, 2010
Haaretz has a piece highlighting the fact that not all religious Jews support the illegal actions in East Jerusalem (and note these guys aren't Jews who disagree with the setting up of Israel - like the NK orthodox Jews - but rather people of conscious who want Israel to act legally and with justice):

The Orthodox Jews fighting the Judaization of East Jerusalem

Leading the demonstrations of solidarity with Palestinian residents of Sheikh Jarrah are some young Israelis with a religious background. They explain their activism and how it correlates to their conception of the true meaning of the Torah
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http://www.haaretz.com/magazine/friday-supplement/the-orthodox-jews-fighting-the-judaization-of-east-jerusalem-1.298113
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Re: Immune from Spin this time? Jun 26, 2010
Long article - does it say that the protesters are actually claiming that the bulldozing of 22 illegally built homes (and legalizing of 723 illegally built Arab homes) is an illegal action?
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Re: Immune From Spin This Time? Jun 26, 2010
Why don't you read it and see whether the occupied people give their legal opinion and whether they contradict the UN clear statement.

duh.

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Re: Immune from Spin this time? Jun 26, 2010
All you needed to say is, "No, the ruling to demolish 22 illegally built homes and to legalize 723 illegally built homes was not against Israeli law".
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Re: Immune From Spin This Time? Jun 27, 2010
Apartheid was legal in South African law, and therefore it is most appropriate that you use the same argument for illegal activities in East Jerusalem. Of course the criminals always say they are innocent - prison is full of 'innocent' people.

Nice to see that you side with the criminals and not the UN - on the illegality of bulldozing homes in an illegally annexed territory. Don't let international law get in the way of Israeli spin, will you. ;)

Kudos though - I didn't think it would be possible to spin the illegality of Israel's actions - but I forgot you could resort to the 'the oppressor sets the laws and decides what is legal' argument.

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Re: Immune from Spin this time? Jun 27, 2010
You're the one to harp on legality blah blah blah in Israel.

It's interesting when I point out that this ruling, that was approved by a city council and went through all the rigors that said types of rulings go through everywhere else in the world, no longer is important.

Yawn.
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Re: Immune from Spin this time? Jun 27, 2010
Do you go on special loon training camps to learn how to ignore facts?

UN chief says Israeli plan for east Jerusalem is illegal
06.23.2010 | AFP

UNITED NATIONS (AFP) – UN chief Ban Ki-moon on Wednesday voiced concern that an Israeli plan to raze 22 Arab homes to make way for an archaeological park in annexed east Jerusalem is “unhelpful” and against international law.

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“The planned moves are contrary to international law, and to the wishes of Palestinian residents,” the statement said.
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Re: Immune From Spin This Time? Jun 28, 2010
It is also worth repeating Avi Shlaim's assessment that Israel is a rogue state for (amongst other things) habitually breaking international law:

This brief review of Israel's record over the past four decades makes it difficult to resist the conclusion that it has become a rogue state with "an utterly unscrupulous set of leaders". A rogue state habitually violates international law, possesses weapons of mass destruction and practises terrorism - the use of violence against civilians for political purposes. Israel fulfils all of these three criteria; the cap fits and it must wear it. Israel's real aim is not peaceful coexistence with its Palestinian neighbours but military domination. It keeps compounding the mistakes of the past with new and more disastrous ones. Politicians, like everyone else, are of course free to repeat the lies and mistakes of the past. But it is not mandatory to do so.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/ja ... -palestine
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Re: Immune from Spin this time? Jun 28, 2010
When nothing new is to be said, just repeat the big lie
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Re: Immune From Spin This Time? Jun 28, 2010
Still in denial, I see. (Actually, we shouldn't be surprised as this is a standard response to facts of Israel's crimes by those who repeat their spin).

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Re: Immune from Spin this time? Jun 30, 2010
Now, the EU spells out to the Israelis:

It is illegal to raze the homes of residents of East Jerusalem:

EU Foreign Policy Chief Catherine Ashton says 'settlements and demolitions of homes are illegal under international law.'
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Ashton added that the European Union has never recognized Israel's annexation of East Jerusalem, saying that "if there is to be genuine peace, a way must be found through negotiations to resolve the status of Jerusalem as the future capital of two states."


http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/israel-s-plan-to-raze-e-jerusalem-homes-is-an-obstacle-to-peace-1.299171


I would have thought this too would be unspinnable - in the real world that is - in fanboi-world, they play by different rules. ;)

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Re: Immune from Spin this time? Jun 30, 2010
Let me know the next time China demolishes a few illegally built homes in Tibet - I would like to read pronouncements from the UN on China's 'illegal' actions.

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Re: Immune From Spin This Time? Jul 01, 2010
Excellent defence:

"Sorry your honour, the authorities have shown that my plan to demolish homes in East Jerusalem is illegal - but, your honour, look over there - see over the other part of the world, there's another country that is also illegally demolishing houses..."

You've lost it fanboi.

Let me know when a Chinese fanboi turns up and argues that they know more about international law than the UN.

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