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Bora Bora wrote: so I guess that makes me a quasi-anti-semite.

self knowledge is an important thing

Bora Bora wrote: As for hatred, you are so full of hatred towards Muslims, and I assume Arabs as well.

Why is that? I heard the argument before that acknowleging the right of Israel to exist is Islamophobic.

Bora Bora wrote: Your post from yesterday that was deleted, as it should have been, spoke volumns of your hatred.

Well, a witness, thanks. If I remember correctly I wrote that many forum members here are anti-semitic. I stand by that statement.

Bora Bora wrote:Clearly you must be Jewish

* looking down to double check *

Nope.


Always very peculiar that people like you just stand by and stay silent when idiots say all jews must die (like on this forum) and all get hyper when somebody defends the right of Israel to exist and defend itself. Makes one think...

Bora Bora wrote:In spite of the weapons Israel possesses, would Israel survive the onslaught of the surrounding countries? Unlikely.

(Leans over an quietly whispers in that feline ear)
Er...The 6 Day War? Yom Kippur?
The Jordanians tried it. The Lebanese tried it. The Syrians tried it. The Egyptians tried it. They all got well and truly whupped despite massive advantages in numbers and weapons.

Back in the 1960's Israel did not have the full economic support it enjoys today, yet it proved it was certainly able to defend itself when it comes to a knock down and drag out.

Don't underestimate them.



Knight

Flying Dutchman wrote:Like I stated before. An anti-semite can be recognzied by:

-Out of all proportion singling out Israel especially compared to any other party in the Middle East.

So, pointing out facts of Israel's crimes will be considered anti-Semitic unless one also points out that other countries also break international laws etc?

Hmm.

What proportion of criticism of Israel would not be considered anti-Semitic - is anything above 0% considered too much for you?

-Comparing Israel to the Nazi's

So, the Jewish British MP Gerald Kaufman was being anti-Semitic when he did exactly this in the UK Houses of Parliament? I note you don't say 'unfairly' or 'untruthfully' - just making a comparison is enough to be labelled anti-semite. Hmm.

-Exaggerating the influence of the Jewish state on world affairs, like controlling the media and the financial markets

But presumably, not exagerating the influence is ok. I guess it would be hard to argue there's no lobbying going on.

-Denying, minimizing, or trivializing the Holocaust.

It's a shame you couldn't make that one even vaguely stick - but had to come up with a 'Bobby Ewing' moment - 'I saw it in a dream once' m'lud, honest.

Three strikes and you are out!

You fit the bill!

What an active imagination you have. Did you really think I'd not ask you to provide evidence that I was full of 'intense hatred' and denied Aushwitz existed?

Please tell me you have not just based your slurs on the above list!

Rather by down here than join you in your hatred!

What hatred would that be FD? I'm still chuckling that you may have thought you'd get me angry by making baseless allegations which you have singularly failed to back up with a shred of evidence. 10 out of 10 for re-defining anti-semitism, 0 out of 10 for showing that it applies to me.

Are you foaming at the mouth? Is it really a normal reaction to repeat your beliefs when asked for evidence to back up your slurs?

As for Hamas and the holocaust I stated want I wanted to state in this thread and we have discussed this already many times. You think Hamas is not anti-semitic, I think they are: based on their convenant and subsequent actions.

I quoted what Hamas has to say on the subject - in full. It appears 'you can't handle the truth' - and prefer your version of events, despite the facts.

Facts vs Pulp Fiction.

Cheers,
Shafique

The Jordanians tried it. The Lebanese tried it. The Syrians tried it. The Egyptians tried it.

I always thought they were fool to attack israel when israel itself was established by the same powers that had determined the borders of these Arab nations.

I also like to mention that back in the 1960's all these Arap countries had proxy governments working for the interest of allies. So I feel that they too were used as part of this political agenda to strengthen the solidarity for israel's existance and its expansion on the palestinian land.

Don't underestimate them.

In today's world I don't think any one nation can underestimate the power of the other due to close communications/alliances and well established arms/defence industry, experience/political knowledge.
Also, No country is on the same political stance and wealth, as was back in the 60's.
And I don't think israel itself can dare to challenge to knock down and drag any nation out as it wishes without the support of global player/s.

Dubai Knight wrote:

Bora Bora wrote:In spite of the weapons Israel possesses, would Israel survive the onslaught of the surrounding countries? Unlikely.

(Leans over an quietly whispers in that feline ear)
Er...The 6 Day War? Yom Kippur?
The Jordanians tried it. The Lebanese tried it. The Syrians tried it. The Egyptians tried it. They all got well and truly whupped despite massive advantages in numbers and weapons.

Back in the 1960's Israel did not have the full economic support it enjoys today, yet it proved it was certainly able to defend itself when it comes to a knock down and drag out.

Don't underestimate them.



Knight

Never underestimate the enemy, but there is strength in numbers and if the surrounding countries united and acted as one, well, there is the possibility that Israel could end up a dust pile. Remember, no one actually knows what Iran holds.

^on the military front, I think that Israel had been dining out on its past military victories for a few decades - they did get a shock in the Yom Kippur war, but they had got over that.

When Hezbollah won in Lebanon the first time round and Israel left Lebanon, it appears they did so grudgingly and always wanted to go back 'and teach them a lesson'. It rankled the Israelis that these guys were Lebanese freedom fighters whose simple aim was to evict the invaders of their country (they were set up after the Israeli invasion).

The shock though really came in 2006 when Israel lost the war they started (unnecessarily, and pointlessy as it turned out) with Hezbollah. They lost militarily (according to Israel's own objectives) and morally. The military goals were to release the 2 soldiers captured (who Hezbollah said they were willing to exchange for prisoners - and said this the day after they captured the soldiers), destroy Hezbollah militarily etc. They achieved none of these goals, but just killed over 1000 Lebanese.

The two soldiers were eventually exchanged for the prisoners - so Hezbollah kept their word, and Israel came out look like bully boys who had the rudest awakening of their lives.

So, the campaign to reinstill their view of themselves as undefeatable grew stronger and stronger, and eventually led to the equivalent of shooting fish in a barrel that was the Gaza bombings and invasion. Wanton destruction that achieved precisely zero military objectives and was launched on a lie.

Israelis broke a ceasefire that was holding on Nov 4 2008, then used the retaliation as an excuse for launching the cynical war. All the while lying through their teeth that the ceasefire was broken by 'Hamas Rockets' and that was the reason they had to go and bomb the largest open prison in the world.

There, the reasons for bombing was probably achieved - they wanted to show that they can indeed cause mass destruction of people who can't really fight back. In the meantime Shalit still remains captive and the smear campaigns against Palestinians continues.


Oh, and under the 'new improved' definitions of anti-Semitism (which, did you notice, makes NO reference to Judaism!) - saying the above makes you an anti-semite who is full of hatred and who denies what the Nazis did in Germany/Poland etc 60 years ago!

'In your dreams, buddy' takes on a whole new meaning after this thread!

Cheers,
Shafique

Bora Bora wrote:
Never underestimate the enemy, but there is strength in numbers and if the surrounding countries united and acted as one, well, there is the possibility that Israel could end up a dust pile. Remember, no one actually knows what Iran holds.

Its a long way from Iran to Israel and there is that other 'I' in between - Iraq. And we know who rules the roost there right now.

The surrounding countries did actually gang up for the 6 day war, and still got thrashed. It gave Israel the chance to occupy most of the Sinai Peninsula as well.

If the tanks roll in, be prepared to be disappointed. A cornered rat can be doubly aggressive.



Knight