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Shafique recently seems to be going through a downward spiral since his views of "chosen people" have been exposed as being the same as the Nazis before him. He has also been shown to blame Judaism for the actions of Jews (without evidence) as the "Islamophobes" blame the Rochdale Groomers' views on women and trafficking on Islam.

In light of these recent embarrassments, shafique has now claimed Judaism does not teach segregationism:

shafique wrote:I'm siding with the Rabbis who say Judaism does not teach the segregationism that the marchers are demanding. So I can't really be blaming Judaism, can I?

However, shafique has previously claimed the exact opposite:

shafique wrote:What is segregationist about splitting humanity between the Chosen and the Gentiles? Umm, could it be the splitting of humanity and the policies of apartheid which stem from this from some Jews who have powers over others?

shafique wrote:I agree with Karmi's view on segregationism being bad, and that the Jewish doctrine of Chosen vs Gentile is segregationist.

shafique wrote:You may wish to argue that segregating humanity into 'the chosen' and 'gentiles' is NOT segregationist

shafique wrote:He rightly says that one of the earliest sources of segregationism in the area (note that the article is about Palestine) is from the Jewish doctrine that divides humanity.

shafique wrote:Zionists segregationist policies and Jews marching in favour of apartheid in Jewish schools similarly are facts. Karmi points out that this segregationism does stem from a view that they are chosen people (not all Jews/Israelis are segregationist though).

So, how can shafique claim Judaism does not teach segregationism when he claims segregation stems from a Jewish doctrine?

Not only do the above posts show that shafique believes segregationism is a Jewish belief, but shafique also believes Israel's "apartheid policies" have stemmed from his belief of what "chosen people" means (without a bit of evidence).

Which view does shafique really have? Is shafique simply fibbing when he says one thing one day and another the next? Why should anyone take what shafique says when his views change based on how badly they reflect upon him?

Silence or changing the subject will be taken as an admission that the he believes Judaism teaches segregationism and therefore lied in this latest post.

I have answered the question about Judaism a few times now. I agree with Rabbis who say that Judaism DOES NOT teach segregationism. I join these Rabbis, Jews and Israelis in condemning the segregationists who want to even impose apartheid on schools. They are repulsed, and so am I.

It is strange that eh runs away from questions posed to him (such as why 1000+ Americans attack Jews each year, but he thinks 3 attacks world wide by Muslims is worthy of being hyped up)... or the question relating to the segregationists in Israel:

The question put to eh was quite simple and related to the subset of Israelis/Jews who DO believe in segregationism to the extent that 100,000+ march in favour of it.

The question was simply - what was their motivation for advocating apartheid.

A related question that eh has to answer is whether he sides with the marchers or with us (Rabbis etc who oppose these segregationist views).

What the marchers say the reason for their segregationist policies is the question he's avoiding. That's because THEY use religion as the excuse.

Karmi, in his article about Palestine which FD misquoted, states this simple and evident fact that the segregationists (not all Jews) are causing the main problems in Palestine. It was true when he wrote that, still true today.

The question about whether Karmi (or me) are anti-semites has been answered already:
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FD misquoted Karmi deliberately after Berrin posted an article by him about Islam. FD couldn't tackle the arguments made in the article directly, so resorted to a slurring the author by misquoting him. He was found out.

Now eh has ressurected the slur and is trying (and failing) to paint me as anti-semitic by association. But given that he (and FD) have failed to show that Karmi was anti-semitic, the silly attempts to show that I'm anti-semitic by association is pathetic and funny.

The misquote by FD was from an article about Palestine and rightly pointed out that segregationist policies by the Zionist Segregationists (not all Jews) were a major cause of the problem there. That is patently true - even if eh wants to blame Muslims for all the problems in the world.


Eh has also chosen not to condemn American Christian terrorists who blow up doctors and nurses because of their religious beliefs. I believe that Christianity does not teach it is ok to kill people in terrorist attacks (no religion says that) - and therefore agree with the majority of Chrisitians who condemn the religiously motivated Christian terrorists. Eh chooses not to condemn.

This is one of the reasons he remains the most extreme religious fanatic posting here:
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Cheers,
Shafique

shafique wrote:He rightly says that one of the earliest sources of segregationism in the area (note that the article is about Palestine) is from the Jewish doctrine that divides humanity.

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shafique wrote:I agree with Rabbis who say that Judaism DOES NOT teach segregationism.

So when did you change your views since yesterday when you re-posted:

shafique wrote:Zionists segregationist policies and Jews marching in favour of apartheid in Jewish schools similarly are facts. Karmi points out that this segregationism does stem from a view that they are chosen people (not all Jews/Israelis are segregationist though).

I still haven't seen you show evidence the protesters were marching because of their belief of "chosen people".

You were exposed trying to blame Judaims and now you're trying to change the subject to *your* conclusion.

What evidence do you have for the protesters' marching due to the concept of "chosen people"?

You've already given your thoughts on the matter, why can't you give evidence?

eh, you really should stop your projecting of your views on to others. Just because you blame the acts of a few Muslims on Islam in toto, you seem to think that I share this trait of yours.

As pointed out many times, the problems in Palestine stems from Zionists who want apartheid, and not from all Jews.

This was made crystal clear when FD brought up the Hope-Simpson report of 1930 which distinguished between the first Jewish colonies in Palestine which employed local Arab Palestinians and got on well with the population. The Zionist colonies were fewer at that time and had a principle of segregation and not employing Arabs - Hope-Simpson rightly pointed out that this was a recipe for disaster.

Karmi agrees with Hope-Simpson on this point, and so do I.

You are trying the old, tired and inneffectual technique of branding people critical of Zionist and apartheid views of some Israelis with anti-semitism. You have failed, again.

Cheers,

Shafique

shafique wrote:Just because you blame the acts of a few Muslims on Islam in toto, you seem to think that I share this trait of yours.

So which bigot wrote the following?

shafique wrote:Zionists segregationist policies and Jews marching in favour of apartheid in Jewish schools similarly are facts. Karmi points out that this segregationism does stem from a view that they are chosen people (not all Jews/Israelis are segregationist though).

shafique wrote:He rightly says that one of the earliest sources of segregationism in the area (note that the article is about Palestine) is from the Jewish doctrine that divides humanity.

So far, you've managed to avoid all your Nazi-like posts you've made about Judaism.

Being exposed as a Nazi is quite embarrassing, I suppose.

Failing again. What is it with these fantasies you have about other posters?

Can you really not make a coherent argument that is not based on spin? I guess not.

I suggest you address the very real issue of Christian Terrorists blowing up doctors, and the 1000+ attacks a year your fellow Americans commit against Jews. Your obsession with 3 attacks by Muslims around the world shows that your more anti-Muslim than pro-Jews. Your hate-ful posts is what got you banned last timel.

Cheers,

Shafique

shafique wrote:Zionists segregationist policies and Jews marching in favour of apartheid in Jewish schools similarly are facts. Karmi points out that this segregationism does stem from a view that they are chosen people (not all Jews/Israelis are segregationist though).

shafique wrote:He rightly says that one of the earliest sources of segregationism in the area (note that the article is about Palestine) is from the Jewish doctrine that divides humanity.

You should condemn your previous Antisemitic beliefs if you want to claim you're not Antisemitic.

shafique wrote:Eh has also chosen not to condemn American Christian terrorists who blow up doctors and nurses because of their religious beliefs. I believe that Christianity does not teach it is ok to kill people in terrorist attacks (no religion says that) - and therefore agree with the majority of Chrisitians who condemn the religiously motivated Christian terrorists. Eh chooses not to condemn.

Condemning some Christians who use religion an excuse for injustices and crimes is the same as condemning some Zionist segregationists and marchers in favour of Apartheid, and no different from condemning Muslim terrorists who similarly misuse religion.

Not that difficult a concept to grasp - unless of course you spend your time on-line smearing all Muslims and getting banned from forums.

Cheers,

Shafique