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Speedhump wrote: India should not really be a threat to Pakistan unless the terrorist attacks in India increase (which let's face it is easy in the fact of poor Indian intelligence and internal security) and they can be pinned on terrorists trained in NW Pakistan. Let's not forget that India is by and large a very peaceful nation (internationally).

Speedhump wrote:Yes it's my opinion. I'm not leader of either country. but the people of each country don't want to go to war with each other. That much you do know.

Speedhump wrote:I would rather the UK aligned with USA than with USSR, who fought their own dirty war in Afghanistan for even less reason.

Speedhump wrote:My post was entirely realistic. If not then please point out where. Just stick to the point if you can.

Red Chief wrote:

Speedhump wrote:My post was entirely realistic. If not then please point out where. Just stick to the point if you can.

Forget. It's gone.

Speedhump wrote:For the US to intervene militarily in NW Pakistan uninvited will cause a heavy backlash against them in Pakistan, who they must keep friendly. The US aerial drone attacks are already causing political problems for them. The US can't afford to alienate Pakistan, who want to sort out their own internal affairs (whether they are able or not). the US will have to just keep pumping money in, especially to keep the new government in place. India should not really be a threat to Pakistan unless the terrorist attacks in India increase (which let's face it is easy in the fact of poor Indian intelligence and internal security) and they can be pinned on terrorists trained in NW Pakistan. Let's not forget that India is by and large a very peaceful nation (internationally).

It's just fact that Afghanistan is a war the US can't win. But if they withdraw at least it will give the insurgents no target other than fellow Muslims, the Afghan army and police, which should alienate them in the eyes of the people of Afghanistan (we should hope).

Misery Called Life wrote: USA has aldready achieved more success than those Russians, who were in Afghanistan for way longer periods.

Misery Called Life wrote:^^^ The very fact that the Afghanistan has a democratically elected governmemnt is success for starters. Its aldready been ascertained that the next presidential elections will be held in late 2009. That would mean that for the first time Afghanistan not only had a democratically elected government, but also that it has almost successfully completed it's first term^^^

desertdudeshj wrote:Misery I'm not going totally agree with you but also won't totally disagree with you aswell.

As for the case of the freedom fighters the Mujahideen, do you forgot who intially armed and trained them, who their allies were earlier on. During the cold war era and the soviet invasion of afghanistan. Who evntually gave them power and arms and turned them into a well trained, armed and fighting force.

We all know it was US. An enemy of your enemy is your friend, with this n mind they backed and totally supported the Mujahideen. Who once served there purpose were abadoned. It was they who later turned into the taliban and now are a major source of agrivation to afghanistan itself aswell as pakistan and basically the whole of the west.

They are fighting an enemy which they them selves created. Like a caged lion which has turned on its previous masters. If the US has tied up all the loose ends and just abadoned and just let them to breed, we would not see the so call war on terror taking place now.

They Mujahideen fought for a noble cause and pushed back the big red giant but consisting of mostl uneducated grunts who don't speak any other launguage other than the langauge of violence after years of being trained in war and growing up in a gun culture. What were they expecting that they will all turn into nobel peace prize winners !

In turn they dumped them on Afghanistan and Pakistan. Now not trying to dump the blame on others, pakistan itself did not do anything to take control or disarm these people. The North West frontier was lawless at the best of times and gave perfect breeding atmosphere for power hungry people take control of the now aimless army and use them to their own means.

It were these battle hardend Mujahideen now lead by meglomaniacs which later turned into the taliban and took over Afghanistan and now are again gaining strong hold in afghanistan and also have gained a strong foothold in pakistan. It is actually quite pathetic that the Pakistani govt can't take over control over parts of its own country now taken over by the taliban.

I think this whole current terror situation could have been avoided if the US and Pakistan were more inteligent in the way the handled the Mujahideen instead of ignoring them.

Now as to what the solution is I really don't know? But I don't think more violence will serve any purpose. Eduation and eradication of wide spread corruption are really the steps in the right way. But I really see no hope of that happening in the near future as none of the Pakistani leaders are intrested in anything other than filling their pockets as much and as soon as possible.

Someone need to step in and take control over the situation. As the local leaders have clearly demostrated for the last two decades they are not up to the task. Countries like the US and the UK can't be trusted with a task like this as its all too clear they are only intrested in their oen twisted agendas. Maybe a agency like UN but that too is held by the nuts but the same. Who....I dont know ? sigh !!!