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The Telegraph doesn't mention the identities of the men, so the reader is left to guess for himself.

Perhaps the twelve men were Hindus or Sikhs or Methodists?

We're not sure, but all of the above are, of course, equally likely given previous terror plots in the UK.

And, statistically speaking, Hindu or Sikh or Methodist terrorists are long overdue in the UK, especially ones who operate on the texts and teachings of their religion.

But we do know that police do not suspect this plot was related to the failed jihad bombing in Sweden last week and which authorities now believe is connected with other cells in Europe and possibly the US to cause destruction during the holiday season.

No sirree bob, these terrorists might as well have been Buddhists from Angola because I can't for the life of me figure who these terrorists may have been.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... raids.html

Anti-terror police arrested twelve men on Monday morning in a large-scale counter terrorism operation spanning cities across the country.

twelve men

Police believe the plotters were planning to set off a number of bombs in "multiple locations", according to reports.
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It is not yet known whether police believed an attack was imminent.
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"The operation is in its early stages so we are unable to go into detail at this time about the suspected offences. However, I believe it was necessary at this time to take action in order to ensure public safety."

And I believe UKPD, worship the DEVIL

The twelve men are all Bangladeshi and were detained at various points through out England. They are not being linked to the Swedish suicide bombing but the British Police believe they were planning an Al Qaeda style attack. The UK is on a heightened terror alert for over the Christmas period. Lovely.

Well, the last time there was such a high profile raid - a whole load of men were arrested (in Manchester, IIRC) and there was a similar amount of hype. All were released without charge... eventually.

Hopefully this time round there is some more substance - the plod's credibility can't really get much lower and they need a boost after the PR disaster of the student protests. If you can't order tanks to Heathrow (remember that!) - why not have a raid just before Christmas and round up some Bangladeshis? (Cynical - moi? Surely not. )

It appears we need at least one of these types of raids each year - (remember the Ricin plot? - again turned out to be nothing more than hype) - so just by the laws of large numbers, eventually the police will actually get some real terrorists or potential terrorists.

I'm eternally hopeful - so I'm rooting for the plod this time round and expect that there's some basis for these latest arrests and PR hoopla.

Edit: There was this fiasco in Manchester in 2009 which resulted in this story:

No charges after anti-terror raid

Police release 12 terror suspects

All 12 men arrested over a suspected bomb plot in the UK have now been released without charge by police.
Eleven - all Pakistani nationals - have been transferred to UK Border Agency custody and face possible deportation.

Chief Constable of Greater Manchester Police Peter Fahy defended the inquiry, saying he was not "embarrassed".

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8011341.stm

So, 12 arrested and released in high profile bomb plot in 2009... another dozen this year. Top marks for consistency.

But as I said, I hope the plod are right this time - even a stopped clock is right twice a day!

Cheers,
Shafique

Well, where there is smoke there may be fire... Better they investigate the smoke than do nothing.

^As I said, I hope that this time the reality matches the media show thrown by the police. There have been too many occasions where there was a lot of smoke and no fire, and we all know what happened to the boy who cried wolf!

I however do absolutely think that we should indeed get numpties who wish to blow people up off the street - for their own protection as well as ours. (Seriously)

Cheers,
Shafique

Shaf, the Police are damned if thery do and damned if they don't. What do you mean by the PR disaster of the student protests? The Police were in a no win situation there. They weren't students but a load of trouble makers who should have been dealt with accordingly and not with the softly softly approach our Government seems to like. We should have had a few water cannons on them. Or even more effective, shower the lot of them with job applications, that would have made them scatter.

I don't have any issue at all with the Police doing their jobs. I do have an issue with spin and hype.

The dragging of Jody McIntyre from his wheelchair (when they could have just wheeled him away) typifies the PR disaster I was referring to. (I mean how can hitting a guy with cerebral palsy with a baton and being filmed dragging him from his wheelchair be justified??)

I'd much rather the PR boys didn't hype up raids that may amount to nothing (as the previous ones did) - and just went about their business and announce real convictions/charges when they are made.

Cheers,
Shafique

Shaf, If that person in the wheelchair hadn't of been there he wouldn't have got himself into trouble, would he?

I'll personally demonstrate for the right of people to protest peacefully (which is what the guy was doing - can't have done much more, given his disability).

I'm English and British and this is quintessentially a English/British trait - to stand up for the rights of others, including the right to protest.

Cheers,
Shafique

Well , if they are able to gather concrete evidence against those in custody and given them a fair trial, Maybe this preemptive action could be justified ( up to a certain degree ), But what if they were innocent and had nothing to do with it ?

Hopefully the wrongfully accused will receive compensation, in the same manner that indian doctor in australia is fighting to get.

Eitherway the falsely accused's images have been permanently damaged

I feel that these actions are all stemming from wide spread paranoia, perhaps the governments need to have a national rehabilitation program to change popular opinion. Not a far fetched idea.

shafique wrote:I'll personally demonstrate for the right of people to protest peacefully (which is what the guy was doing - can't have done much more, given his disability).

I'm English and British and this is quintessentially a English/British trait - to stand up for the rights of others, including the right to protest.

Cheers,
Shafique

Protest? You mean cause trouble more like, at massive cost to the British taxpayer. I'd hose the lot of them. Why aren't they at school or work? Damaging property and throwing fire extinguishers of roofs, send the squaddies in, that'll sort them out.

^The majority of the protestors were peacefully protesting - and there's no evidence presented yet that Jody McIntyre (who suffers from Cerebral Palsy) wasn't one of them.

Yobs causing trouble should indeed have their collars felt - but as I said, the plod suffered a PR disaster there in the eyes of most people - but obviously not in your eyes. I guess you'd have loved water canons and the return of charging horses to control the crowds. Tough love - eh?

Zubber - the UK govt does indeed have outreach programmes and so do Muslim communities. However in the glee of a PR campaign, headlines trump reality in many of these cases.

Cheers,
Shafique

Yes Shaf, if it was up to BM she'd get the tanks in and sort the riff raff out. Students? They need their arses kicked. Why do you keep sressing that the gadgy had Cerebral Palsy? If he was ill he shouldn't have been there. I don't like the way you are refering to the Police as the plod. Respect should be shown to our Forces, whether they be Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen, Police or Fireman.

I keep stressing that he had cerebral palsy to make the point that he wasn't a threat to the police that dragged him out of his wheel chair and across the road. (And not to mention he was hit by a baton as well).

I mean, they could have just wheeled him across the road!

Police being caught red-handed being un-necessarily heavy handed against a protestor that posed not physical threat is what I was referring to as the PR disaster in my first post.

My relatives fought in the last war so that we'd have the freedom to stand up to instances of oppression - especially if they are carried out by people in uniform. (Oh, and my dad was in the TA - and I have cousins who are in the Plod.)

It's my country too.

Anyway - back to the main point of this thread - I'm hoping that the Police are not left with egg on their faces again after this raid. They surely should have learnt the lessons from the previous failures by now (you'd hope).

Cheers,
Shafique

Sorry to go off topic again, but oppression? In the UK? We've never had it so bad. If the Government was a bit firmer with people we would all know where we stood. Like kids, we all need boundries and to be reminded of them.
The gadgy with cerebral palsy should have made his own way away from the trouble instead of being in the way.
My family also fought in the war and I have two cousins in the Police. One is an Inspector and one does close protection. I am very proud of them being in the Police, they do a fantastic job in sh1te circumstances where they get constant abuse. Anyone bad mouthing our Forces should be dealt with. Shaf, you don't know you're born, try demonstating in China or even the UAE, they'd soon sort you out.

Bethsmum wrote:Yes Shaf, if it was up to BM she'd get the tanks in and sort the riff raff out. Students? They need their arses kicked. Why do you keep sressing that the gadgy had Cerebral Palsy? If he was ill he shouldn't have been there. I don't like the way you are refering to the Police as the plod. Respect should be shown to our Forces, whether they be Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen, Police or Fireman.

You sound like a Chinese government official.

I'm not Chinese K. I'm English and proud.

You don't like spin Shaf, but cry fowl when someone with cerebral palsy is put into the front line of a protest, and instead of recieving special treatment, is given the same treatment to the other able bodied protestors and dragged off for not obeying police requests.
Sounds like spin to me.

Police should not be brutalizing peaceful protesters. Please explain to me how this guy with cerebral palsy was putting up the same kind of physical struggle as an able bodied protester that the police were required to be as forceful with him? Was he put there as a tactic or was he protesting like the rest of the students of his own free will? Let's use some sense here.

BM, you don't like Chinese either I see.

Jody McIntyre was removed for his own safety before mounted police charged the crowd.
He's not even a student.
He descibes himself as a revolutionary. More like a public nuisance bludging off government money.

Why not just wheel the guy across the road rather than making more work for yourself? I find it hard to swallow the spin: "we did it for his own good, guv - honest"

Listen to the guy and watch the footage for yourself:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ku2sWnwe ... r_embedded

BM - as with kanelli, your advocating tanks against students brought to mind the obvious iconic image of tanks against students in Tianamen square. Who did you hate most in that protest - the Chinese students or the Chinese army?


Cheers,
Shafique

kanelli wrote:Police should not be brutalizing peaceful protesters. Please explain to me how this guy with cerebral palsy was putting up the same kind of physical struggle as an able bodied protester that the police were required to be as forceful with him? Was he put there as a tactic or was he protesting like the rest of the students of his own free will? Let's use some sense here.

BM, you don't like Chinese either I see.

K. I don't have a problem with the Chinese, just couldn't eat a whole one.

With respect K. you probably have no idea what the 'students' were protesting about, may be you do?
If you do may be you could explain their grievence to me. BTW I do know why they say they were protesting but their reasoning doesn't wash.
Do you know K?

-- Wed Dec 22, 2010 5:40 pm --

shafique wrote:Why not just wheel the guy across the road rather than making more work for yourself? I find it hard to swallow the spin: "we did it for his own good, guv - honest"

Listen to the guy and watch the footage for yourself:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ku2sWnwe ... r_embedded

BM - as with kanelli, your advocating tanks against students brought to mind the obvious iconic image of tanks against students in Tianamen square. Who did you hate most in that protest - the Chinese students or the Chinese army?


Cheers,
Shafique

Shaf, you needed to be there to get the full picture, a piece of footage on Youtube doesn't do it for me I'm afraid. He wasn't a student and shouldn't have been there in the first place. As far as i'm concerned he got no more than he deserved as a trouble maker.
As with K. do you know why the 'students' were protesting Shaf? And if you do, please explain to me why this would cause the 'students' to protest in the first place?
BTW I don't bother myself with other countries politics, I would only voice an opinion on what goes on in my country. I have no interest in what happens in China unless it effects me and mine.

Too funny

k. I take it that you don't know anything at all about our student protests. I always think it best not to comment on something you know absolutely nothing about.

LOL

Yeah, you've got to watch out for wheel chair bound protestors causing trouble! LOL

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique wrote:Why not just wheel the guy across the road rather than making more work for yourself? I find it hard to swallow the spin: "we did it for his own good, guv - honest"

He didn't look like he was co-operating at all.
If he was wheeled off, his hands and feet would have then been caught up and he would have fallen out of the wheelchair... and then you'd be complaining about that.
The police battern was just a little love tap to try an convince him to do as he is told. Am I allowed to call him a bit stupid or is that politically incorrect as well?

Just call him silly benwj, it's a word Shaf is fond of, aren't you Shaf? Oh and fornicating, how I love that word!

LOL

I agree benjw - the guy with Cerebral palsy does really look threatening in his wheelchair and has a mean look in his eye. Why let the fact he doesn't have control over his arms and legs get in the way of the fantasy he was a threat?

10/10 for creativity. Lower score for credibility. (Did you even watch the video?)

Cheers,
Shafique

Bethsmum wrote:k. I take it that you don't know anything at all about our student protests. I always think it best not to comment on something you know absolutely nothing about.

Wrong ASSumption.