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The reason for Moroccan harassment of women is because "Moroccan youth is se.xually disturbed". Quote from a Moroccan politician in Holland. He blames the closed and narrow minded upbringing. Might well be they get out of control by a naked toe, let alone a short skirt and tight tank top.

shafique wrote:So, are you going to ask me another random question or are you just going to avoid answering direct questions about what underlies the %s you've presented as fact but appear to be nothing more than wishes.

I guess evasion it is then.

Geez, and after I went through the trouble of partially completing your answer for you:

shafique wrote:Can you at least provide the numbers behind the 60% mentally deficient Dutch-Moroccans, 70% Amsterdam Dutch-Moroccan criminals and 80% crimes in Utrecht?

Here, I'll even help you out with the first one- you can just cut and paste the answers and fill in the blanks with the numbers and the references:

Here you go shafique, here's the numbers and evidence you ask for:
1. The evidence for my statement that 60% of Dutch-Moroccan criminals being officially mentally deficient is [insert reference which shows 60% figure and relates to Dutch-Moroccan criminals] and the number of criminals in his group was [insert number that made up this 60%]

Can't make it easier.

If you just imagined the figures, you should just admit it.

I hope that the unsourced quote is more real than the figures you've been bandying around.

Cheers,
Shafique

LOL.

* wondering how times somebody can repeat themselves because of a lack of reading comprehension *

I will explain again. The 60% quote is from the police. No, I donot have the exact data, so it might be that it is not exactly 60%. Based on comments from social reseachers and reports it is clear mental handicap is a clear problem among Moroccan youth. I will repeat again than, if this is not enough for somebody or doesn't agree , NMP.

It becomes clear that religion and culture is the root cause of Moroccan youths criminality, of which 54% have a criminal record. Also explains why prostitutes on TV declare to decline Moroccan 'customers', because of their violent and disrespectful behaviour.

So, your supposed categoric statement crumbles when I ask for evidence. You just 'remember' a policeman once telling you that 60% of Dutch-Moroccans criminals are mentally deficient, but can't produce a quote/statement/report with a % in it. Hmm.

Fancy that.


Perhaps you only imagined it?


Ok, how about the statement that 70% of Dutch-Moroccans living in Amsterdam are criminals. Is this also an imagined figure that isn't backed up by any hard evidence or actual numbers?

Cheers,
Shafique

*sigh*

+1

Referring to previous posts.

It is probably me, but more important questions are:

-Why are decoy Jews opted in Amsterdam-West?
-Why are decoy grannies deployed in Gouda?
-Why does the latest report state that 54% of Moroccan youth have a criminal registration?
-Why in 2006 a third of the youth prison population was Moroccan?
-Why do prostitutes refuse Moroccan customers?
-Why does a strange Moroccan think it is appropiate behaviour when there is a woman in my car to open the back door, jump on the back seat and annouce " Hi honey, you donot known it yet, but we are going to fukc? [which was a good reminder to keep the doors of your cars locked at all times]

What's a more important question is how come 'eh' was convinced you had provided evidence of where your imagined stats came from, when it now transpires you can't actually provide any evidence.

Is this a case of collective Loon delusion? We should be told!

If you avoid making up stats and stick to making up questions and fantasing about 'mentally deficient, sexually repressed, criminal Dutch boys ' (some of the fantasies are funny), you may not find yourself having to admit you don't have a leg to stand on when it comes to evidence for the made-up stats.


Your list of questions look like a list of jokes waiting for a punch line. Most of them can be answered with 'Loons will invent stats to show it is because of Dutch boys with foreign parents'

I'm still waiting for any evidence that 70% of Dutch-Moroccans who live in Amsterdam are criminals. You stated this, will you admit this too was something you dreamt up?

Cheers,
Shafique

Again, referring to previous posts: "the total amount of arrested Morrocans in 2007, by no means is the total of Moroccans criminals."

This is what event horizon agreed with me, or least found it a plausible explanation. Very weird though that allegly how event horizon becomes convinced of something is a more important issue in a thread about decoy jews in Amsterdam-West than why decoy jews are opted in Amsterdam-West.

For the rest , I keep on referring to previous posts.

Here is an interesting question imo, which btw is a real discussion:

Is a prostitute dicriminating if s/he is refusing a Moroccan (based on article 1 of the constitution), or is s/he allowed to refuse him based on the souvergnity of her body (also article one of the constitution)?

I actually saw somebody from the PC left opting for the first!

Huh? You're asking me about what motivates a prostitute in your fantasy?

I'm good with stats, not so good with Psychology FD.

Perhaps you should stay off the 'good stuff' and establish what is real and what is imagined.

I repeated this also (quite a few times) - it's a shame it hasn't registered with you yet:

Once we've established the extent of the problem, we can then of course examine what the reasons may be. You've thrown out the word epidemic and high percentages above, so it is quite reasonable for us to check that these aren't figures picked out of thin air or pulled out of some dark place where the sun doesn't shine..

BTW - what is it with loons and fantasies about dark skinned people and s.ex? First it was eh and his strange fantasies about Afghan boys, now it is you with Dutch-Morrocans, repressed se.xuality and now prostitutes. Freud would have field day with you two!
http://www.dubaiforums.com/dubai-politics-talk/afghan-men-struggle-with-sexual-identity-study-finds-t40468-30.html#p328034

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique wrote:Huh? You're asking me about what motivates a prostitute in your fantasy?

What maked you think, I asked you?

By the way, the general question, was a question about the law, not psychology. What made you think a discussion about discrimination and the Dutch constitution is about psychology.

*sigh*

I repeat again:

-54% of Moroccan youth has a criminal registration
-A third (or more) of youth prisoners are Moroccan.

Even a blind man can 'see' there is a real problem with especially second generation Moroccans in Holland.

Well, it is a good thing you weren't asking me about the prostitutes in your fantasies - as I said above, I don't have a psychology degree and can't analyse what happens in your mind.

I totally agree, only a blind person who doesn't want to hear facts and figures will believe your fantastical pronouncements now we've established you can't back up your fantastical claims.


But - hey, as long as the voices tell you there's an epidemic and that 70% of Dutch-Morrocans living in Amsterdam are criminals, why should you let 'facts' get in the way of that fantasy?

Cheers,
Shafique

Here we go again: I refer to my previous posts.

I am surpised that a report saying 54% of Moroccan youth is criminal doesn't show that Moroccan crime is an epidemic and that it is fantasy.

I am less surprised that to deal with the issue "Why are decoy jews going to be deployed in Amsterdam-West" is too embarassing/unconvenient.

I actually did look at that one cohort survey - it followed all people born in 1984 in Netherlands and showed that of this cohort, that of those kids with at least one Moroccon parent over 50% had had contact with the police. So this is just looking at kids who were born in one year - not the whole Dutch population.

It's a bit like just looking at the numbers arrested in 2007 (and we know what a fuss you made about that!). If we can't generalise using the 2007 arrest figures, why do you want to generalise over one cohort study? Do you want to have your cake and eat it?

BUT, I come back to your fantastical claim that 70% of Dutch-Morrocans living in Amsterdam are criminals. C'mon that smelled fishy from the moment you typed it. You've been running ever sice - time to confess you just made that up.

Cheers,
Shafique

Now, so as to not be accused of not answering your question.

Let me quote something posted earlier in this thread:

shafique wrote:..
It is interesting to note that the suggestion for police to act as decoys was raised by a Moroccan Dutch politician

Also, a justice minister had this to say:

The number of instances of reported anti-Semitism in Amsterdam rose in 2009 from the previous year, according to government data, from 17 to 41. Discrimination cases on the basis of skin color or country of origin rose from 232 to 336 in the same period, while anti-gay cases rose to 89 from 55.

But those rises may reflect a public campaign encouraging people to report hate crimes. Hirsch Ballin told parliament Thursday police had seen no real increase in anti-Semitism.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100625/ap_on_re_eu/eu_netherlands_decoy_jews/print;_ylt=AkZZmwSXMVTthqDjpuhrLZtbbBAF;_ylu=X3oDMTBycjdqNWs0BHBvcwMxNQRzZWMDYm90dG9tBHNsawNwcmludA

So why are the Dutch police playing dress up - well, now that they've closed 8 prisons perhaps they need to keep the cops occupied . As Ballin said to Parliament -police say they haven't seen a real increase in anti-Semitism.

Did you notice what the numbers were - 17 growing to 41. Per Year.

(See how that worked - question asked, question answered - with references, nothing made-up, joke clearly identified - not a invented stat in sight. And the fact I answered the question a few days ago, well - that's just a bonus.)

Cheers,
Shafique

And yet the video of a man walking through one Moroccan neighborhood during the day showed the hatred Moroccans have for Jews.

If this man was dressed as a Muslim, the UN would hold an emergency security council about the growing threat of 'Islamophobia' and how Muslims are the new Jews (except that Jews are still regularly attacked by you know who).

But hey, one must choose to believe this forum's google trawler that there is no problem or the liberal Dutch police force that has recently admitted to there being a problem of antisemitism and homophobia in Holland (and perhaps even misogyny).

They dont appear much in front in the camera, but when they do:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ac_AXVq3qVk&feature=related

I am against Israel, because all jews must become extinct.

I wanna kill jews. I just wanna kill jews.

Reporter: dont you mean Israeli's?

No, jews, I wanna stab jews. Especially when they walk with a temple on their head, I wanna kill them. Oh, and I also wanna kill Israeli's.

Their music:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuPlo1aAXd4

"run dirty jew run"

Yes, FD.

Blame the victim.

But the funny thing about your video, is that it puts the 'hate crimes' against Jews in the Netherlands into perspective.

Obviously, Jews are subjected to a lot of verbal (if not more) anti-Semitic abuse, but the vast majority is never reported. (Or do you think those thugs only express their hatred of Jews to random cameramen?)

Like hatred for whites, hatred against Jews is just the status quo.

Wilders called it a “glorious day for the Netherlands.”

“Today millions of people have voted for the PVV and for our agenda of hope and optimism. Today all these people voted for a better and stronger Netherlands, for more security and "less crime", for less immigration

FD - those videos are probably why the cops are dressing up - despite the statistics and the police statement that Anti-Semitism is not up. The article listed, and the statement to parliament all took place after the footage was aired.

You seem to be presenting the videos as a counter to what was said in the article, but it is the other way round. You're not trying to spin this are you??

shafique wrote:..
It is interesting to note that the suggestion for police to act as decoys was raised by a Moroccan Dutch politician

Also, a justice minister had this to say:

The number of instances of reported anti-Semitism in Amsterdam rose in 2009 from the previous year, according to government data, from 17 to 41. Discrimination cases on the basis of skin color or country of origin rose from 232 to 336 in the same period, while anti-gay cases rose to 89 from 55.

But those rises may reflect a public campaign encouraging people to report hate crimes. Hirsch Ballin told parliament Thursday police had seen no real increase in anti-Semitism.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100625/ap_on_re_eu/eu_netherlands_decoy_jews/print;_ylt=AkZZmwSXMVTthqDjpuhrLZtbbBAF;_ylu=X3oDMTBycjdqNWs0BHBvcwMxNQRzZWMDYm90dG9tBHNsawNwcmludA

..

Did you notice what the numbers were - 17 growing to 41. Per Year.

[/quote]

Moroccan criminals getting younger and younger. A very large group between 8-12 is already terrorizing neighborhoods and kinder gartners and seems to have only a vocabalairy of only fukc and some diseases. This item on state TV caused some commotion (seems to be a nation wide problem):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yfktr5hQqYA&feature=related

Dicrimination offices put the numbers of instances much higher than the police. Popular among Moroccans is making a sissing noice (referring to the gas chambers) against jews. Police doesn't make a report of people sissing. Making snake noises isnot a crime a Holland.

Their whole attitude is very intimidating.

Your young Dutch underclass is as revolting as the feral underclass we have in the UK as well. The culture is quite worrying. Just do as search for 'feral underclass' or 'broken britain' - it refers to the white sub culture where work is something others do.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/features/4642363/Alfie-Patten-the-exploited-face-of-broken-Britain.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/jan/24/barbara-ellen-grim-truth-edlington
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1085518/RICHARD-LITTLEJOHN-Welcome-Britain-land-rising-scum-.html


We have kids who have no member of their families ever having worked. That's ever had a job. It is fashionable to have a kid early on and get benefits, and it is better if you are not married (benefit wise). So we have three or generations of kids of kids having kids (teenage mother, daughter becomes a single teen mother etc).

These kids are termed 'feral' - they are the ones that 'ASBOS' were invented for 'anti-social behaviour orders' - and this backfired as it became a badge of honour to have one of these.

What you describe as the petty intimidation of others - be it of jews or of grannies - happens in the Uk by these guys as well. They pick on 'Pakis' and 'Yids' etc.


So, now we've moved beyond the fantastical statistics that you seem to have invented (eg 70% of all Dutch-Moroccans being criminal - really! ) and when we get beyond your other fanciful descriptions and exaggerations, we find that you have Dutch boys who belong to an underclass who are out of control.

The academic study referenced before showed that it is a problem born in the Netherlands - it was not a feature in these boys' parents home country- and the solution lies in the Netherlands.

We have failed our feral underclass in the UK (they are white English predominantly) and we also have gangs of asians (Muslims, Sikhs etc), West Indians and others. There are a lot of common elements that are observable in all these groups - education, social status, employment, density of housing..

Identifying that there's a problem is the start. Blaming it on where these Dutch-boys parents came from is the easy option, but just like your ficticous statistics - when the evidence is examined, it is not the place of birth of your parents that is the deciding factor in how these Dutch boys behave.

Cheers,
Shafique

This is not an underclass problem anymore. Problems with first generation Moroccans might be caused by socio-economic status and being immigrants. Crime under second generation Moroccans explodes. Apparently the age group of 8-12 is becoming even more problematic than the current age group of 18-22. Of the latter 54% has a criminal registration nation wide.

shafique wrote:Still failing to see Moroccan youth stands out.

shafique wrote:70% of all Dutch-Moroccans being criminal

Quote me!

Did some digging. The Utrecht police chief stated that 80% of youth criminality in Utrecht is done by Moroccans. Later, under political pressure, he had to change this to "a very substantial majority". For Amsterdam, a journalist quoted the Amsterdam police saying 70% of young Moroccans in Amsterdam have a criminal past. So, my previous statements regarding 70 and 80% were not completely correct.

Still want to see the quote were I say 70% of all Dutch-Moroccans are criminal...

You really should quote me in context:

shafique wrote:So, now we've moved beyond the fantastical statistics that you seem to have invented (eg 70% of all Dutch-Moroccans being criminal - really! ) and when we get beyond your other fanciful descriptions and exaggerations, we find that you have Dutch boys who belong to an underclass who are out of control.

So, I missed out the 'in Amsterdam' when I typed that out - I'll admit to that, but the claim is still fantastical and unsubstantiated.

And here's the quote:

Flying Dutchman wrote: More in depth studies show for example that 70% of Moroccans living in Amsterdam are criminals.

Yet you haven't produced this study which shows that 47,000 Dutch-Moroccan residents of Amsterdam are criminals (or even a referece for the 70%)

And you really must try and provide morethan hearsay evidence to convince us you haven't invented other stats you've quote.

Looks like the same goes for the policeman who you say stated the 80%. But see how a little digging shows that you were exaggerating by claiming 80% of all crime was committed by Dutch-Morrocans in that town!

Cheers,
Shafique

This is what you presented as 'fact':

Flying Dutchman wrote:In Utrecht 80% of the crime is committed by ethnic Moroccans, while they make up 8,5% of the local population.

As for your assessment that this is not a social underclass problem, I'm a bit lost. All the descriptions I've read indicate that it is EXACTLY a social underclass problem - look at the education, employment, social status, incomes etc. Same issues we have with our English underclass feral youth.

I know that these are inconvenient truths, but that's what the studies shows. Having a parent born in Morocco does not explain, in itself, the behaviour of these Dutch boys and girls. The social aspects highlighted do.

Cheers,
Shafique

Thanks. So - had you said what the police officer had said and we had looked at the 10-year old report (he said this in 2001 when commenting on the 2000 report), we could have seen what you were basing your sweeping statement on (and that you were wrong to quote the stat that 80% of all crime in Utrecht is committed by Dutch-Moroccans).

What the article says (Google translated it)

The police chief made his appeal at the presentation of the Annual Report 2000. It states that 80 percent of juvenile delinquency in the Utrecht region is due to a hard core of about five hundred people.

These mostly young Moroccans, including a growing number of 12 - to 15-year-olds represent only one fifth of the total number of juvenile offenders.

They are not only more in touch with the police, the crimes committed are heavier. The youngsters are notably guilty of burglary, robbery, assault and car theft.

He doesn't say what % of these 500 are Dutch-Moroccans, just that they are 'mostly' Dutch-Moroccan.

So 20% of youth offenders commit 80% of the crime. It is the old 80/20 rule.

What do the more recent reports say - this was from 10 years ago, after all?

Cheers,
Shafique

I would translate 'overwegend' with generally.

The vast majority of juvenile crime (being conservative) in Utrecht is done by Moroccans. What happened to all the other under class? Or is the argument now that the under class in Utrecht generally consists of Morocanns?

As I said, this is from a 10 year old report and 9 year old news item.

It says that 'majority' of the 500 youths who cause 80% of the 'delinquencies' were Dutch-Moroccan. These 500 youth represent 20% of the total youths committing crimes. Therefore, the total number of youths committing crimes is 2500. In 2000.

Therefore your statement:

Flying Dutchman wrote:In Utrecht 80% of the crime is committed by ethnic Moroccans, while they make up 8,5% of the local population.

..is wrong on a number of levels. At best you should have said - 'in 2000 the majority of 500 worse YOUTH offenders were Dutch Moroccan, according to a police statement'.

Even among youth offenders, there's no indication whether Dutch-Moroccans form the majority of the 2500 offenders in the year 2000 or not.




But, moving on - any joy with the basis for the quote:

Flying Dutchman wrote:More in depth studies show for example that 70% of Moroccans living in Amsterdam are criminals.

?

Cheers,
Shafique

I wonder if the percentage of whites in British jails and prison corresponds to their percentage of the general population.

It would be interesting to see if the % of whites in prison (or jail) is the same, higher or lower than the overall white population in proportion to the UK's total population.

Especially with all of shafique's white buddies who have decided that the best way to earn bread is to not work at all.

and cause trouble.

and spawn.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/138351

European Jewry is in its worst condition since the end of World War II. This bleak evaluation was delivered by European Jewish Congress President Moshe Kantor on Tuesday.

"Jews are afraid to walk the streets in Europe with Jewish symbols", Kantor said. "Synagogues, Jewish schools and kindergartens require barbed-wire fences and security, and Jewish men, women and children are beaten up in broad daylight."

Most worryingly," he added, "Jews are being forced out of many European cities, like Malmo, because of the atmosphere of hostility and violence." Malmo, on the southern tip of Sweden, is the country's third largest city, with 290,000 people. It has the highest proportion of non-Scandinavian natives of any Swedish city; the largest group of immigrants is from Iraq.

Earlier this year, the Sunday Telegraph reported that increasing numbers of Jews were leaving Malmo for Israel and England because of a jump in anti-Semitic violence by both Muslim extremists and neo-Nazis.

Nazi's and islamofacsicts.

shafique wrote:But, moving on - any joy with the basis for the quote:

Flying Dutchman wrote:More in depth studies show for example that 70% of Moroccans living in Amsterdam are criminals.

?

Does the silence amount to admission that this stat was a mere loon invention, dreamt up some lonely night in Amsterdam?


As for the rise in Anti-semitism - I guess the Dutch can be proud that there is no real rise in Anti-semitism in Netherlands according to the Police (note this is an actual quote to Parliament in 2010, not something I remembered from 10 years ago):
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100625/ap_on_re_eu/eu_netherlands_decoy_jews/print;_ylt=AkZZmwSXMVTthqDjpuhrLZtbbBAF;_ylu=X3oDMTBycjdqNWs0BHBvcwMxNQRzZWMDYm90dG9tBHNsawNwcmludA

Cheers,
Shafique