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The total amount of arrested Morrocans in 2007, by no means is the total of Moroccans criminals.
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Flying Dutchman wrote:The study showing that 54% of Moroccan youth has a criminal record is only the tip of the ice berg. More in depth studies show for example that 70% of Moroccans living in Amsterdam are criminals.
msterdam - More than half of young Dutch nationals of Moroccan origin in Rotterdam have a criminal record, according to a study published in the Dutch daily Volkskrant on Thursday.
The study, performed by researchers of Rotterdam's Erasmus University and the Royal University of Utrecht, said 55 per cent of Dutch-Moroccans aged 18 to 24 in Rotterdam have a criminal record.
Among young men from the Dutch Antilles and Surinam living in Rotterdam, 40 per cent have a criminal record, compared with 36 per cent of Dutch-Turks in the city.
Among native Dutch nationals from Rotterdam, 18.4 per cent have a police record.
The study found that once they have a police record, 90 per cent of Dutch-Moroccans return to criminal activity, compared with 60 per cent of ethnic Dutch nationals.
The study's crime statistics among ethnic groups in the Netherlands are far higher than those estimated so far by the Dutch Central Bureau of Statistics (CBS).
This can partly be explained by the fact that Rotterdam is the only Dutch city which has registered the ethnicity of criminals since 2002.
In addition, the study's methodology differed from other studies.
Contrary to the CBS, the study also included children of migrants, the so-called 'second generation' born in the Netherlands, among each ethnicity.
With a population of almost 600,000, Rotterdam is second largest city of the Netherlands. Half of its inhabitants are not native or have at least one foreign-born parent. Some 40,000 inhabitants are ethnic Moroccans.(dpa)
Bovekerk is also dead set against having ethnicity play a role in social work or sentencing. Since when can a crime be explained by origin? Is certain behavior typically Moroccan or does it come from street culture? He points to a visit to Morocco of Dutch police agents and officials , where they heard that the boys for which they wanted to get a cultural explanation were not Moroccan, but Dutch. "These boys are the product of North-European cities."
The boys in question were not Moroccan but Dutch. 'nuff said?
event horizon wrote:Whatever happened to comparing the percentage of rednecks who have criminal records to the percentage of Dutch-Moroccans with criminal records?
Don't want to embarrass yourself (further)?
event horizon wrote:The boys in question were not Moroccan but Dutch. 'nuff said?
Snowball, is your point that Dutch-Moroccans are three times more likely to have a criminal record than white Dutch citizens?
If so, I totally agree with you.
Now, the question is, why are Moroccans more prone to criminal activity than other immigrant groups - Turks, etc. ?
event horizon wrote:BTW, do you know the percentage of Polish youth in Britain who have a criminal record ?
Flying Dutchman wrote:In Utrecht 80% of the crime is committed by ethnic Moroccans, while they make up 8,5% of the local population.
Flying Dutchman wrote:The study showing that 54% of Moroccan youth has a criminal record is only the tip of the ice berg. More in depth studies show for example that 70% of Moroccans living in Amsterdam are criminals.
shafique wrote:Can you please provide:
1. Evidence for 60% of Dutch-Moroccan criminals being officially mentally deficient (so we can then work out how many Dutch Moroccan criminals there are in total)
2. Evidence for your assertion that 70% of Dutch-Moroccans living in Amsterdam are criminals (which would amount to about 47,000 people, by my simple arithmetic)
3. Evidence for 80% of all crime in Utrech being carried out by Dutch-Moroccans.
Once we've established the extent of the problem, we can then of course examine what the reasons may be. You've thrown out the word epidemic and high percentages above, so it is quite reasonable for us to check that these aren't figures picked out of thin air or pulled out of some dark place where the sun doesn't shine..
shafique wrote:Can you please provide:
1. Evidence for 60% of Dutch-Moroccan criminals being officially mentally deficient (so we can then work out how many Dutch Moroccan criminals there are in total)
2. Evidence for your assertion that 70% of Dutch-Moroccans living in Amsterdam are criminals (which would amount to about 47,000 people, by my simple arithmetic)
3. Evidence for 80% of all crime in Utrech being carried out by Dutch-Moroccans.
Once we've established the extent of the problem, we can then of course examine what the reasons may be. You've thrown out the word epidemic and high percentages above, so it is quite reasonable for us to check that these aren't figures picked out of thin air or pulled out of some dark place where the sun doesn't shine..
Flying Dutchman wrote: More in depth studies show for example that 70% of Moroccans living in Amsterdam are criminals.
Try and keep up eh. FD is disputing the figure you quoted of 8% of Dutch criminals being Dutch Moroccan - which equated to 4.2% of the Morrocan population being criminals. You were asked to produced the equivalent figures from your redneck neighbours. I see that you are trying to wriggle your way out of some work. Sigh.
shafique wrote:In fact the 2006 study actually counters your stats - it says that 'only' 10% of Dutch-Moroccan 'youth' (i.e. not all Dutch Moroccans) in Amsterdam have criminal records (actually it says suspected of at least one crime). It says 40% are unemployed etc.
Therefore it is in direct contradiction to your statement:Flying Dutchman wrote: More in depth studies show for example that 70% of Moroccans living in Amsterdam are criminals.
Did you dream up this statistic?
Cheers,
Shafique
shafique wrote:Can you please provide:
1. Evidence for 60% of Dutch-Moroccan criminals being officially mentally deficient (so we can then work out how many Dutch Moroccan criminals there are in total)
2. Evidence for your assertion that 70% of Dutch-Moroccans living in Amsterdam are criminals (which would amount to about 47,000 people, by my simple arithmetic)
3. Evidence for 80% of all crime in Utrech being carried out by Dutch-Moroccans.
Once we've established the extent of the problem, we can then of course examine what the reasons may be. You've thrown out the word epidemic and high percentages above, so it is quite reasonable for us to check that these aren't figures picked out of thin air or pulled out of some dark place where the sun doesn't shine..
shafique wrote:So the article says the study shows 55% of 18 to 24 year old Dutch Morrocans in Rotterdam have criminal records.
Total Dutch Morrocan population in Rotterdam in 2008 was 37,476 (that's of all ages) - out of a total of 600,000. So we are really talking about a few thousand criminals out of a population of 600,000.
Now, I refer you back to my previous comments about exagerations.
eh - you do realise that it's your fault that FD's stats are falling apart - if you hadn't insisted we compare the redneck criminality rates with that of the Dutch-Morrocans, we wouldn't have to insist that FD produces the numbers to back up his fantastical pronouncements. I'm sure FD will thank you for that. I can imagine him muttering into his lager... 'with friends like that'..
the ever patient actuary wrote:Can you please provide:
1. Evidence for 60% of Dutch-Moroccan criminals being officially mentally deficient (so we can then work out how many Dutch Moroccan criminals there are in total)
2. Evidence for your assertion that 70% of Dutch-Moroccans living in Amsterdam are criminals (which would amount to about 47,000 people, by my simple arithmetic)
3. Evidence for 80% of all crime in Utrech being carried out by Dutch-Moroccans.
Once we've established the extent of the problem, we can then of course examine what the reasons may be. You've thrown out the word epidemic and high percentages above, so it is quite reasonable for us to check that these aren't figures picked out of thin air or pulled out of some dark place where the sun doesn't shine..
Flying Dutchman wrote:60% of Moroccan criminals in Holland are officially mentally deficient.
veel Marokkaanse jongens psychische mankementen
vertonen of kunnen worden
gerekend tot de categorie Licht Verstandelijk
Gehandicapten (LVG): dat zijn
volgens de meest eenvoudige definitie
mensen met een IQ tussen 60 en 85.
Flying Dutchman wrote:The police is not alone stating that the IQ of Moroccans is a problem.
Flying Dutchman wrote:60% of Moroccan criminals in Holland are officially mentally deficient.