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In conslucion all muslims have a lot of cultural issues in common. Which is a result of religion on their own country culture.
Nobody said they are all the same, but they are some basics which is the same for majority of them.

A lot of western democratic countries also have a lot of common issues which have a overwhelmingly majority Christian population. So shall we also associate high rate of homocide, rape, crime etc etc to Christianity ?

desertdudeshj wrote:A lot of western democratic countries also have a lot of common issues which have a overwhelmingly majority Christian population. So shall we also associate high rate of homocide, rape, crime etc etc to Christianity ?

Flawed!

1.Those western countries are not under extreme practice of religin.

2.Where did you get the high rates of homocide, rape and crime? Which country? What type of crimes? Who are the criminals? (maybe the ones who does not have an identity of themselves and impose their presence to the host country)

Ofcourse its flawed, utterly ridiculas even. I just used your reasoning to connect crime and Christianity. My previous statement has absolutely no truth to it was just an example to show you your theory is flawed just as much. But it was sad to see the implied immediate finger pointing at "maybe the ones who does not have an identity of themselves and impose their presence to the host country" we all know who you were referring to there.

How bout countries with long serving dictators. Thats another commonality maybe that has something to do with it ? See where I am going with this.

A crime was commited and no matter to what degree it was abhorrent to say the least and the criminals should face justice but trying to make it into a muslim or cultral this is flawed and holds no water. Sorry to use the old stereotype but thats what phobes and loons do. That is anything happens in a Muslim majority region then its Islams fault by default.

People always like to assign blame and lump people together, just because of the actions of a few which is really sad.

But this story is truly shocking.

desertdudeshj wrote:A crime was commited and no matter to what degree it was abhorrent to say the least and the criminals should face justice

I'm confused. Which is it? First you thought it should go into the Guiness Book of Records - a very offensive remark, then you say you find it hard to believe (swallow?), now you say it was a crime.

desertdudeshj wrote:Ofcourse its flawed, utterly ridiculas even. I just used your reasoning to connect crime and Christianity. My previous statement has absolutely no truth to it was just an example to show you your theory is flawed just as much. But it was sad to see the implied immediate finger pointing at "maybe the ones who does not have an identity of themselves and impose their presence to the host country" we all know who you were referring to there.

How bout countries with long serving dictators. Thats another commonality maybe that has something to do with it ? See where I am going with this.

A crime was commited and no matter to what degree it was abhorrent to say the least and the criminals should face justice but trying to make it into a muslim or cultral this is flawed and holds no water. Sorry to use the old stereotype but thats what phobes and loons do. That is anything happens in a Muslim majority region then its Islams fault by default.

As always you lost the whole point!
It is impossible to have a sensible debate with you!
byebye!

On you mean you don't like it when you get called on you fallacies, why didn't you say so.

Later amiga

desertdudeshj wrote:On you mean you don't like it when you get called on you fallacies, why didn't you say so.

Later amiga

No I meant exactly what I said. You lost the whole point. Interpreted my post in a different way, and I dont have any interest in explaining it for you.

melika969 wrote:

desertdudeshj wrote:On you mean you don't like it when you get called on you fallacies, why didn't you say so.

Later amiga

No I meant exactly what I said. You lost the whole point. Interpreted my post in a different way, and I dont have any interest in explaining it for you.

No surprise there eh Mel???

melika969 wrote:

shafique wrote:If there is indeed video footage of this crime (as described) then the 'bearded' rapist and other rapists should be captured and punished.

However, let's wait and see whether this is a real description of the crime or whether this is another Loon blogger fantasy. It would be truly sick if they made up these details to fuel their hatred of Islam and Muslims.

As the blogger is stating this description is based on video footage - we should at least be able to see some still footage (censored where necessary) which corroborates this horrific description.

If it turns out that this is just a fabrication - then the loons should bow their heads in shame and apologise to the reporter.

Cheers,
Shafique

So Shaf what you implying is, it was ok for the "breaded animals" to assault her, if they didnt rape her!?

So assaulting without rape is not giving muslims and Islam bad name?

Mel - please leave the hate of Muslims to one side for long enough to re-read my posts.

I've condemned the assaults, but I am also condemning the cynical loon fantasies so graphically described - I'd expect you, as a woman, to condemn these apparent lies too.

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique wrote:Mel - please leave the hate of Muslims to one side for long enough to re-read my posts.

I've condemned the assaults, but I am also condemning the cynical loon fantasies so graphically described - I'd expect you, as a woman, to condemn these apparent lies too.

Cheers,
Shafique

shaf, I can't hate muslims. Lots of my family members, relatives and friends are muslims.

The crime even without rape is so horrible, that I don't think eliminating r.ape from it will give any credit to the attackers. But you are tryin to focus on the reporters rather than attackers!

Do you agree with those who are inventing details of rape etc that did not occur?

Is it not possible to condemn both those who carried out the criminal attack on Logan and the loons who are inventing stories about crimes that weren't committed? (My quoted post above is in response to new allegations which have so far not been shown to be the truth. I'm not the one that posted the new allegations of gang-rape, masturbation etc carried out by 'bearded attackers'.)

That said, if there is evidence that the crimes occured as described eh's post - then I'll gladly condemn the media for covering up these facts (for as I say, I've not seen any evidence that the description given is not just another Loon fantasy.)

I admit, I do not like it when fabricated stories are presented as fact by loons. If this is not the case here, I'll gladly apologise for doubting eh's post. I can't be fairer than that.

Cheers,
Shafique

I think someone would have to be very sick in the head to invent such things and it would be extremely worrying.

shafique wrote:Do you agree with those who are inventing details of rape etc that did not occur?

Is it not possible to condemn both those who carried out the criminal attack on Logan and the loons who are inventing stories about crimes that weren't committed? (My quoted post above is in response to new allegations which have so far not been shown to be the truth. I'm not the one that posted the new allegations of gang-rape, masturbation etc carried out by 'bearded attackers'.)

That said, if there is evidence that the crimes occured as described eh's post - then I'll gladly condemn the media for covering up these facts (for as I say, I've not seen any evidence that the description given is not just another Loon fantasy.)

I admit, I do not like it when fabricated stories are presented as fact by loons. If this is not the case here, I'll gladly apologise for doubting eh's post. I can't be fairer than that.

Cheers,
Shafique

As I mentioned earlier, the assaulting with or without rape, is ing. I don’t care about different fantasies you or event horizon has about this. What I find offensive from your post is that you condemned the crime just if it is a rape there! You don’t see it as a big deal if there was no rape. And in that case you think the crime of bloggers and reporters are more serious than attackers. Well that s something supporting your agenda to link everything to your fantasies about some members here.

Who is supporting the crime?

I'm condemning the lies about crimes not committed AND condemning the crime.

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique wrote:Who is supporting the crime?

I'm condemning the lies about crimes not committed AND condemning the crime.

Cheers,
Shafique

Who said you support the crime?

So which do you condemn more? the crime OR the lies about crimes?

Both sicken me.

Which do you condemn more?

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique wrote:Both sicken me.

Which do you condemn more?

Cheers,
Shafique

Of course I condemn the crime much more.

These lies (Which we still don’t even know if they are lies or not) are just some insignificant side part of the whole scene. Which I don’t care about.

Fair enough. As I said, both sicken me.

I do care that the crime is being abused by loons. I recognise that others may be more lenient on the spreading of lies.

Cheers,
Shafique

Why don't you just try speaking in English?

shafique wrote:Fair enough. As I said, both sicken me.

I do care that the crime is being abused by loons. I recognise that others may be more lenient on the spreading of lies.

Cheers,
Shafique

1) I agree with you on spreading lies

2) It hasn't been determined that anyone has lied - the issue has been covered up by CBS for obvious reasons - CBS has neither confirmed nor denied Lara was raped, but that she was 'sexually assaulted'

3) I can't help but wonder if the last three pages of posts where you make a bigger fuss about your belief that a report was a lie (something that you haven't proven but keep repeating like a broken record) says more about yourself than it does about the people you claim are liars

4) Who has the past history of being caught up in lies and then trying to cover those lies up by claiming they the lies were never told (!) ?

event horizon wrote:

shafique wrote:Fair enough. As I said, both sicken me.

I do care that the crime is being abused by loons. I recognise that others may be more lenient on the spreading of lies.

Cheers,
Shafique

1) I agree with you on spreading lies

2) It hasn't been determined that anyone has lied - the issue has been covered up by CBS for obvious reasons - CBS has neither confirmed nor denied Lara was raped, but that she was 'sexually assaulted'

3) I can't help but wonder if the last three pages of posts where you make a bigger fuss about your belief that a report was a lie (something that you haven't proven but keep repeating like a broken record) says more about yourself than it does about the people you claim are liars

4) Who has the past history of being caught up in lies and then trying to cover those lies up by claiming they the lies were never told (!) ?

1, Agreed
2, Agreed
3, Without doubt!
4, Or that someone else told them and they are just repeating by way of explanation, Err... Shafique!

Regards

Empty words to support loon fantasies and now a conspiracy theory about a 'cover up'. oooh.

Loon bloggers, based on experience, are best assumed liars until their fantasies are corroborated. Such is the case here.

I've said, I'm prepared to apologise and eat humble pie if the lies about gang rape, masturbation etc are proved to be true and the youtube videos actually show this. But in the mean time, it still appears that loons WANT to believe this spin DESPITE the lack of evidence.

That speaks volumes.

So - over to you, loons, show us the evidence that the loon bloggers weren't lying.

Cheers,
Shafique

A celebrity news website morphs into a 'loon/Islamophobic blog' in the paranoid mind of a nut-job/victim merchant. I've crossed paths with Truthers who had more operating brain cells than you.

After a while, your trolling just gets boring.

http://wizbangpop.com/

Are all loons allergic to evidence? I'm still laughing at your excuse that there is conspiracy cover-up going on - that is a pretty poor excuse!

You have form when it comes to presenting lies as the truth (and in that case too it was concerning rape):
dubai-politics-talk/fox-news-let-down-t42289.html


But hey, perhaps this time round the reports of video evidence that you posted will turn out to be true, and not another case of loon fantasies.

I await the evidence.

Cheers,
Shafique

At this rate, we'll be on page 5 of this thread with one person fretting over whether a story from a celebrity news website was accurate (on a topic of sustained s.exual assualt involving a large mob of men).

There's no way this level of trolling could be imitated. It's all natural.

I apologise - my mistake. It wasn't a loon blogger that made the wild accusation, it was loon video blogger - the one who posted the fantasy on youtube:

From eh's post:

However, another purported video that was described by a controversial YouTube video claims that a bearded man ripped the top off the reporter and began slapping her face and breasts. He then pinned her to the ground, and by this time she stopped resisting, apparently accepting the fact that she was overpowered. The bearded man then removed her pants and masturbated in front of her before raping her. He also reportedly clawed at her breasts with his hands. The YouTube video claims that at least six men raped her vaginally, and a number of men also raped her anally as well. She was reportedly masturbated on and urinated on by some men as well according to the YouTube video claims which was supposed to be pieced together from information and videos posted on Arab Websites and other sources.

Loon fantasy or reality?

The resident loons believe this to be true, DESPITE, no actual evidence.

I admire the way they are attempting to make this MY fault.

Let's see any evidence.

Cheers,
Shafique

same mistake has been done for many years...

People are making assumptions, conclusions, and building the opinions from their keyboards....

I am not saying discussions isn't useful, but don't build an opinion till you are on the ground... and obviously very few people I have met in my life understand the middle east, but a lot think they are understanding it all...

I think next few months/ years will carry a lot of surprises ...
Mahmoud

Well, let's see whether those who desperately want to believe the information in this supposed YouTube rant ever produce real evidence or admit that this was just a fabrication.

I suspect we're more likely to see more smoke and mirrors, name calling and irrelevant threads before we see any evidence or an apology. But hey, perhaps this time they'll step up and provide some proof.

Cheers,
Shafique