Displaying any gestures or symbols of the old Nazi regime is considered a serious crime in modern-day Germany.
Over reaction and a violation of rights or darn good job ?
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Displaying any gestures or symbols of the old Nazi regime is considered a serious crime in modern-day Germany.
shafique wrote:Well, in Austria it is a crime to deny the Holocaust and also a crime (as featured recently in another thread) to insult religious figures.
Both can be argued to be limiting freedom of speech - but I'd argue that in both cases the law is drawing the line between acceptable 'freedom of speech' and speech that insults and offends.
The Austrians and Germans have drawn up laws which reflect their cultural sensitivities and I for one respect that. It would be hypocritical to say they are ok to ban Holocaust denial but not ban insults on religious figures, for example.
Cheers,
Shafique
When confronted with masses of Hezbollah buddies giving the nazi salute, completely different feelings were expressed.
Flying Dutchman wrote:When confronted with masses of Hezbollah buddies giving the nazi salute, completely different feelings were expressed.
I'm pleased you are paying attention berrin.
shafique wrote:When the Nazis were ruling Germany, some American schoolkids were using the Roman salute - also known as the Bellamy salute:
It wasn't illegal in the US then (nor was it strictly associated with Hitler), but now these kids would be in trouble if they saluted this way in Austria.
Cheers,
Shafique
implies that it was associated to Hilter to a degree.(nor was it strictly associated with Hitler)
Berrin wrote:I'm pleased you are paying attention berrin.
What attention Miss'es? I hope you don't get the wrong end of the stick..
Just like you said to Betshmum "don't feel for me" but fell for them. Karma
shafique wrote:As for my post with the photo American schoolkids - everything written there was factual and wasn't misleading. Manufacturing issues to be offended about is not something I can reasonably be asked to control.
Cheers,
Shafique
Swearing of the Pledge is accompanied by a salute. An early version of the salute, adopted in 1892, was known as the Bellamy salute. It started with the hand outstretched toward the flag, palm down, and ended with the palm up. Because of the similarity between the Bellamy salute and the Nazi salute, developed later, President Franklin D. Roosevelt instituted the hand-over-the-heart gesture as the salute to be rendered by civilians during the Pledge of Allegiance and the national anthem in the United States, instead of the Bellamy salute. Removal of the Bellamy salute occurred on December 22, 1942, when Congress amended the Flag Code language first passed into law on June 22, 1942.[12]
On June 22, 1942, the Code became Public Law 77-623; chapter 435.[13] Little had changed in the code since the Flag Day 1924 Conference. The most notable change was the removal of the Bellamy salute due to its similarities to the Hitler salute.[14]
shafique wrote:When the Nazis were ruling Germany, some American schoolkids were using the Roman salute - also known as the Bellamy salute:
shafique wrote:It wasn't illegal in the US then (nor was it strictly associated with Hitler), but now these kids would be in trouble if they saluted this way in Austria.
I can only control what I write.
Bora Bora wrote:Shaf, where in the quotee does it say anything about it being legal or illegal?
The Canadian tourist risks being formally charged with making a forbidden gesture, which could result in him being jailed for up to six months.
Displaying any gestures or symbols of the old Nazi regime is considered a serious crime in modern-day Germany.
It wasn't illegal in the US then (nor was it strictly associated with Hitler), but now these kids would be in trouble if they saluted this way in Austria.