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Speedhump wrote:I don't have a problem and women's problems in the Middle East ad the Subcontinent as a whole are far greater than in Europe, North America, Civilised Asia, you name it.

I'm not attacking you personally either, but I am so disappointed you can't have one of these conversations without over and over and over asking about why Taliban are there, why the UN are there, etc, etc. That absolutely did not have to cloud the issue that I tried to talk about of what needs to be done in Afghanistan NOW to help it. Afghanistan has been a battleground long before Europe took a hand either. Stop trying to lay all the blame at one door.

There is nothing to 'drop' as you say, because that was not even a subject of my thread.

And who is blaming 'mountain' women for anything? Not me. I am saying Afghan women (in cities as much as 'mountains') want to be educated, they want their daughters to go to schools and universities. Ther being provincial has nothing whatever to do with it, they still want better lives for their daughters, and the Taliban kill them for it. That's not a 'global' occurrence, now is it? You are just laying smokescreens again.

It is a very big reason why the Taliban should go, it is part of their generally debased view of Islam. I believe that your low opinion of women does not allow you to accept that.

I'm not blaming anyone I'm just pointing facts that led to the situation in hand ,why are being offensive ?

women will get all what they want when the region will be safer and ppl can have a normal life now this will not happen unless the west stop fighting to get a peace of the pie.

I'm not denying women rights or think low of women ( got 3 stupid sisters with PHD but thanks for the accusation) , I'm just saying that area is not suitable yet for such needs and it's not just bcz of Taliban as you pointed but also bcz of powers conflict that will not stop by Taliban leaving, others will be created by the western powers to serve their needs, this has been happening since ever. the US used Taliban against Russia ,the other party used them against the US and so on, they really didn't have time to build schools or open a music stores.

this is a political forum speedhumps so I thought of linking both women needs with the situation and I thought that was your aim and when want to discuss an issue please do discuss it with realists views not wishes.

women there can cry all they want but they and you want to support their rights then you should talk to those governments and ask them to forget those needs they have in that region.



If you just want to talk about women rights regardless of political issues caused by it then please do post this thread in the general chat.

Speedhump wrote:I don't have a problem and women's problems in the Middle East ad the Subcontinent as a whole are far greater than in Europe, North America, Civilised Asia, you name it.

I'm not attacking you personally either, but I am so disappointed you can't have one of these conversations without over and over and over asking about why Taliban are there, why the UN are there, etc, etc. That absolutely did not have to cloud the issue that I tried to talk about of what needs to be done in Afghanistan NOW to help it. Afghanistan has been a battleground long before Europe took a hand either. Stop trying to lay all the blame at one door.

There is nothing to 'drop' as you say, because that was not even a subject of my thread.

And who is blaming 'mountain' women for anything? Not me. I am saying Afghan women (in cities as much as 'mountains') want to be educated, they want their daughters to go to schools and universities. Ther being provincial has nothing whatever to do with it, they still want better lives for their daughters, and the Taliban kill them for it. That's not a 'global' occurrence, now is it? You are just laying smokescreens again.

It is a very big reason why the Taliban should go, it is part of their generally debased view of Islam. I believe that your low opinion of women does not allow you to accept that.

I'm not blaming anyone I'm just pointing facts that led to the situation in hand ,why are being offensive ?

women will get all what they want when the region will be safer and ppl can have a normal life now this will not happen unless the west stop fighting to get a peace of the pie.

I'm not denying women rights or think low of women ( got 3 stupid sisters with PHD but thanks for the accusation) , I'm just saying that area is not suitable yet for such needs and it's not just bcz of Taliban as you pointed but also bcz of powers conflict that will not stop by Taliban leaving, others will be created by the western powers to serve their needs, this has been happening since ever. the US used Taliban against Russia ,the other party used them against the US and so on, they really didn't have time to build schools or open a music stores.

this is a political forum speedhumps so I thought of linking both women needs with the situation and I thought that was your aim and when want to discuss an issue please do discuss it with realists views not wishes.

women there can cry all they want but they and you want to support their rights then you should talk to those governments and ask them to forget those needs they have in that region.



If you just want to talk about women rights regardless of political issues caused by it then please do post this thread in the general chat.

Speedhump wrote:No BBC propaganda here, read the first (BBC) article again, it is very 'warts and all'.

Speedy, don't fight with yourself. I confirmed that there were nothing about "horrror of Talliban" in BBC article. It's to the question how I "hate" all British.

As for what you should do I think the resistance of Najibullah was a good experience. His regime fought a few years with minimum support after Soviet Union withdrew their troops and collapsed only after Russia stopped fuel supply.

I am not sure that puppet Karzai has enough ability but who knows?

Of cause you should've done roads, schools, bridges and pipelines on the loyal territities as SU had done but you did almost nothing in comparable time. It was out of US business model.

Double post.

uaekid wrote:

Speedhump wrote:I don't have a problem and women's problems in the Middle East ad the Subcontinent as a whole are far greater than in Europe, North America, Civilised Asia, you name it.

I'm not attacking you personally either, but I am so disappointed you can't have one of these conversations without over and over and over asking about why Taliban are there, why the UN are there, etc, etc. That absolutely did not have to cloud the issue that I tried to talk about of what needs to be done in Afghanistan NOW to help it. Afghanistan has been a battleground long before Europe took a hand either. Stop trying to lay all the blame at one door.

There is nothing to 'drop' as you say, because that was not even a subject of my thread.

And who is blaming 'mountain' women for anything? Not me. I am saying Afghan women (in cities as much as 'mountains') want to be educated, they want their daughters to go to schools and universities. Ther being provincial has nothing whatever to do with it, they still want better lives for their daughters, and the Taliban kill them for it. That's not a 'global' occurrence, now is it? You are just laying smokescreens again.

It is a very big reason why the Taliban should go, it is part of their generally debased view of Islam. I believe that your low opinion of women does not allow you to accept that.

I'm not blaming anyone I'm just pointing facts that led to the situation in hand ,why are being offensive ?

women will get all what they want when the region will be safer and ppl can have a normal life now this will not happen unless the west stop fighting to get a peace of the pie.

I'm not denying women rights or think low of women ( got 3 stupid sisters with PHD but thanks for the accusation) , I'm just saying that area is not suitable yet for such needs and it's not just bcz of Taliban as you pointed but also bcz of powers conflict that will not stop by Taliban leaving, others will be created by the western powers to serve their needs, this has been happening since ever. the US used Taliban against Russia ,the other party used them against the US and so on, they really didn't have time to build schools or open a music stores.

this is a political forum speedhumps so I thought of linking both women needs with the situation and I thought that was your aim and when want to discuss an issue please do discuss it with realists views not wishes.

women there can cry all they want but they and you want to support their rights then you should talk to those governments and ask them to forget those needs they have in that region.



If you just want to talk about women rights regardless of political issues caused by it then please do post this thread in the general chat.

I'm glad I am wrong on your opinion of women. they are allowed to do well in UAE anyway by an enlightened government..

But it is wrong to divert attention away form the treatment of women by the Taliban. This is just one more way to show the evils of their rule. I certainly didn't say it was not a political matter, but I did say that it is boring that you can't discuss Afghanistan without digging your shovel in every single one of your posts into the who invaded and why, thing. It really is not the only subject to discuss in that country. But you can't leave it alone. That is the sum total of your political discussion about Afganistan! And you're not the only one who thinks that is where discussion of Afghanistan begins and ends.....

Schools were built by the UN, music was played, men were allowed to try to express a little emotion and (for example) grow their hair how they wanted. You don't understand that these are the many small things that give THE PEOPLE of a nation hope and confidence. This is being crushed again by fear of Talibani retribution.

Red Chief wrote:

Speedhump wrote:No BBC propaganda here, read the first (BBC) article again, it is very 'warts and all'.

Speedy, don't fight with yourself. I confirmed that there were nothing about "horrror of Talliban" in BBC article. It's to the question how I "hate" all British.

As for what you should do I think the resistance of Najibullah was a good experience. His regime fought a few years with minimum support after Soviet Union withdrew their troops and collapsed only after Russia stopped fuel supply.

I am not sure that puppet Karzai has enough ability but who knows?

Of cause you should've done roads, schools, bridges and pipelines on the loyal territities as SU had done but you did almost nothing in comparable time. It was out of US business model.

Surely the US/UN/UK are encouraging Afghanistan to rebuild itself. There have been many billions of dollars poured into the country for this purpose. I suggest that USSR's high-handed approach was because it saw the country as a new dominion, and was prepared to be high-handed in its treatment of the country. Did USSR declare an intention to leave the country after their insurgents were installed? I don't have that information.

USSR (and Russia before) has had designs on Afghanistan since the 1800's (as did the UK at that time).

I'll tell you a Russian joke.

What's the difference between Englishman and Jew?
Englishman leaves without saying "Good bye" but Jew says "Good buy" and don't leave.

Yes there is a problem with Russian humour. It hardly exists!

Is that your answer to my question?

You again remember old history. Russian Empire was over 90 and SU left Afghanistan 20 years ago.

You asked what Brits should do for Afghanistan. I replied - "Pack suitcases, buy tickets and leave."

No, they should do that for Britain.

Red Chief wrote:I'll tell you a Russian joke.

What's the difference between Englishman and Jew?
Englishman leaves without saying "Good bye" but Jew says "Good buy" and don't leave.

I also want to do something for Britain. Some coins weight down a pocket of my trousers. I can pour out two or three dirhams for tickets to London for brave British soldiers.

Unintelligible

What was unclear in my post? You wrote that "they" (probably poor Afghans) should help Britain in packing and buying tickets because Britain has some financial problem probably. That's why I'd like to help its soldiers to return home and avoid your acusation in my hating of all British in the future.

Peace?

I see. I didn't say anything like that.

What I said was it would for me be better for Britain if our troops left, not better for Afghanistan. I said nothing about finances. I only was talking politically.

It was anyway your tag line that had me scratching my head. I would not have bothered to reply to your comment re Dirhams.

Speedy, my friend, land from your British war horse please.

You had much better sence of humour riding a camel.

I'm too busy to be witty today!

Speedhump wrote:I'm too busy to be witty today!

See you tomorrow with your sparkling English humour.

It's from a comedy show called Big Train. It was favourite of mine.

Sounds a little bit Frenchy though.

no, very English accents, like mine, maybe not like the voices ones hears in Yalumba after 3 pm on a Friday

Speedhump wrote:no, very English accents, like mine, maybe not like the voices ones hears in Yalumba after 3 pm on a Friday

I didn't mean their accents but the situation.

Red Chief wrote:I also want to do something for Britain. Some coins weight down a pocket of my trousers. I can pour out two or three dirhams for tickets to London for brave British soldiers.

can i make a donation to the British Army too would 50 pence do the trick.

bandwagon jumping tiger

Speedy, you have a powerful rival now. This Eastern European has even more warlike attitude.

France committed to Afghan mission, says Sarkozy
Article published on the 2009-07-14 Latest update 2009-07-14 14:03 TU

Despite an increase in attacks by the Taliban and a growing debate in Britain on its involvement in Afghanistan, France remains committed to the international forces there, Sarkozy said.

Recalling last year's attack on French soldiers, in which ten died, Sarkozy said that there is no backing down in face of the Islamist movement.

"We are not going to allow the return of the Taliban, who cut off the hands of young girls who wore nail varnish, who decided that girls couldn't go to school, who shut up women in the burka, who stoned so-called adulterers," he said. "We can't allow that."

France will invest 377 billion euros in the military over the next 12 years, Sarokzy announced, saying that it will be put towards modern intelligence-gathering and protective equipment.

Responding to concerns that a recent defence review will reduce the number of troops and bases, Sarkozy said that the troops will be better armed and protected and that they are adapting with "brio" to the changes.

"The challenge for tomorrow is to have a France, with its 65 million people, recognised as a great power. That our voice be heard," he said.

http://www.rfi.fr/actuen/articles/115/article_4333.asp

LOL

Yes be so afraid of a country of inefficient farmers living on EC subsidies...of course there's a huge difference between talk and action. I have been surprised at his aggression towards the hjab and now the burqa though. There is some posturing going on, which the French have practised in front of mirrors for centuries.

Speedy,
Does UK support itself with domestic agricultural products? On the other hand these "farmers" manufacture commercial aircrafts, cars and trucks. They also build nuclear power plants around the Globe.
I just wonder if there is other Great contry except UK in the World.

As for Afghanistan I agree. Saving Afghan girls from Taliban is hardly possible goal if you have 5000 military staff who located a few hundred kilometers from main battlefield. I doubt that French soldiers have seen any Taliban fighter.

You need to read some about the differences in methods and efficiency of agriculture between the two countries before further comment, also the percentage of people employed on the land. Subsidies to French farmers has been a huge point of contention for most EC (previously EU) countries for a long time.

You are always too quick to point the finger at Britain being Great (which of course it is).

Yes, French have lost 10 soldiers in Afghanistan, UK almost 200. And it goes on.

Speedhump wrote:You are always too quick to point the finger at Britain being Great (which of course it is).

I like your logic and sence of humour.


Begging for a lift.


Now we are borrowing Russian helicopters to fight the Taliban

Read more:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... liban.html

Disgraceful.....many years of socialist UK goverment, who hate to spend money on defence, police, etc.

Did my eyes deceive me or does this article call Russia a Third World country????