Abu Qatada. A Threat to UK Homeland Security

Bethsmum

The Home Office clashed openly with judges on Monday when it criticised a decision to free on bail within days the radical Islamist cleric Abu Qatada, who is accused of posing a grave threat to British national security.

Not another misunderstood lost soul!

A Home Office spokesperson said he should remain in detention: "This is the argument we made in court and we disagree with its decision. This is a dangerous man who we believe poses a real threat to our security and who has not changed in his views or attitude to the UK."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2012/feb/06/abu-qatada-release-home-office-fury

shafique

I'm with the HO on this one. This guy is an embarrassment to Muslims. We managed to deport Bakri (to Tunisia, IIRC), but Qatada is proving more problematic.

Anjem Choudhary is British - he shares the same views as Abu Qatada - so we're stuck with him. 🙄

These guys have barks worse than their bites though - and what Mosques and Muslim groups are doing to tackle their views is working. The last thing to do is to ignore them, but rather to give the youth access to alternative narratives about what Islam actually teaches and how the extremist views are not mainstream interpretations, and in many cases just false.

Cheers,
Shafique

Bethsmum

We? LOL

shafique

I pay for Police and government services after all, and vote in elections. Don't you?

😉

Cheers,

Shafique

Bethsmum

Yes for the BNP.

shafique

So you and Anjem Choudhary have much in common then - both British and having extremist views about other people.

Cheers,

Shafique

Bethsmum

I think we can include you in our little group. Its not so exvlusive.

shafique

I think we can include you in our little group. Its not so exvlusive.

Thanks for the invite BM, but let me respectfully remain with the majority who are against extremism and hate.

I guess it is time now for the customary outing of the BNP video, I'm sure some people haven't seen it yet and it is still as funny as ever:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onk5fm1J7Ig

😁
Cheers,
Shafique

Bethsmum

Well as has been said before on this forum. You will be judged by your peers. I wont bore anyone with any youtube videos. You show your true self without any help from me.

shafique

Cheer up BM. Normal people laugh at comedy - and you did invite me into your 'group' after saying you're a BNP voter.

And what's with this new obsession over what others think (or what you imagine they think)? Don't you have the courage of your own convictions? 😉

Cheers,
Shafique

Bethsmum

I dont need a very good imagination to know what people kn DF think about you.

shafique

There you go again. 🙄 I simply asked why you've got this latest obsession?

Cheers,

Shafique

Bethsmum

You flatter yourself.

shafique

😀

Perhaps you believe 'Muslamic Rayguns' exist?

Here's someone else who gets frustrated over the issue:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xB7Z-o_dWzI

😀 😀

And the video being referred to is this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5VDbu-HLMs

Still very funny.

Cheers,
Shafique

Bethsmum

Absolutely hilarious.<br /><br />--- Tue Feb 07, 2012 12:30 pm ---<br /><br />Just like Abu Qatada being released.

event_horizon

These guys have barks worse than their bites though

He [Abu Qatada] is wanted on terrorism charges in Algeria, the United States, Belgium, Spain, France, Germany, Italy, and his native Jordan.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Qatada

Suuure.....

Are you on step 3 on the Islamic apologists guide to dealing with Kufr - minimizing Islamic terrorism?

shafique

What acts of terrorism has he carried out (or ordered, or assisted) then? Have you told the British judicial authorities about this - they have just released him on bail after all.

He does talk a lot, but to my recollection he denies any terrorist involvement at all. Aren't Muslim terror cell heads supposed to be boastful about their jihad against the West etc?

Your bark is certainly miles ahead of any substance.

But as I said in my first post - I'd like him deported from Britain, like we deported Bakri. We have to live with the EDL, BNP and Choudhary - so we have enough home-grown extremists to go round!

Cheers,
Shafique

Bethsmum

The decision angered both Labour and Conservative backbenchers. The former Labour home secretary David Blunkett said the decision had left the government facing a very real difficulty: "It is an unholy mess. We are left in the absurd position of not being able to remove a man even though everyone accepts he won't be tortured, not being able to keep him in prison because his human rights trump the protection of the British people, and a government that has watered down control orders so that they are more lax than was previously the case."

The Conservative backbencher Dominic Raab echoed Blunkett's anger: "This result is a direct result of the perverse ruling by the Strasbourg court. It makes a mockery of human rights law that a terrorist suspect deemed 'dangerous' by our courts can't be returned home, not for fear that he might be tortured, but because European judges don't trust the Jordanian justice system."

The bail conditions set down by Mr Justice Mitting are draconian, comprising a 22-hour curfew rather than the "overnight residence requirement" specified in the coalition's replacement for control orders. They include an electronic tag, MI5 vetting of all his visitors except for immediate family, and monitoring of his communications. The delay in his release is to allow the security services to check the proposed bail address and organise their surveillance operation.

Abu Qatada is reported to have cost the British taxpayer £1m so far in legal costs and benefits claimed by his family. Considering that cancer victims are denied drugs on the National Health system because of the expense, I would vote that we give Abu a lead earing and divert the money to more deserving British people. By the response to his release on social media, I'm not alone in my thinking.

shafique

Whilst I'd have sent him to Jordan (or perhaps some other country - say Tunisia) - I'm generally against not applying the law and benefit systems to those who are entitled to it. Change the rules by all means, but if someone is receiving benefits they are entitled to, I don't begrudge them it.

Legal aid bills can be horrendous - and there have been some doozies in the past - but that is the system, and overall it does well. It is there for you and I when we need it.

Cheers,

Shafique

Bethsmum

but if someone is receiving benefits they are entitled to, I don't begrudge them it.

You never cease to amaze me, and not in a good way.