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1100 people disappeared at the hands of security agencies in Pakistan

Many disappeared along with their children

In 2008, 101 people died in the illegal custody of Pakistan agencies - mainly the ISI. Daily Express, Feb 28, 2009 report (Urdu)

No other country in the world has suffered and sacrificed for the U.S. as much as Pakistan did. It fought the US-funded, US-supported, US-engineered Jihad against the Soviet Union for 10 year and it has yet to recover from those consequences.

It had lost more than three thousands soldiers in the war of terrorism by November 2006. Imagine the total loss since then.

No other country in the world has lost this many soldiers for the U.S. so far.

No other country has sold its citizen to be systematically tortured and killed in Gauntanamo, Bagram and other torture centres.

No country in the world has launched war on its own people for Washington and killed and displaced hundreds and thousands.

No other country in the world has housed US drones for butchering it own people in the name of non-existent al-ka-eeda: the CIA’s bogey monster.

This also leads to the question that why is it so that Israel or UK are the US best allies and Pakistan is still considered a threat - and hence the haigh value target - when by comparison Israel has not sacrificed even one soldier for the US so far?

The simple answer is:

Israel, UK and others are allies and buddies in their greater war on humanity for total global domination, whereas Pakistan is being used for small battles on the wider war of terrorism.

So, no matter how mcuh Zia, Mush, Zardari and Kyani serve their masters, in the final analysis, they will always remain mercenaries, not allies.

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britisharab wrote:1100 people disappeared at the hands of security agencies in Pakistan

Many disappeared along with their children

In 2008, 101 people died in the illegal custody of Pakistan agencies - mainly the ISI. Daily Express, Feb 28, 2009 report (Urdu)

No other country in the world has suffered and sacrificed for the U.S. as much as Pakistan did. It fought the US-funded, US-supported, US-engineered Jihad against the Soviet Union for 10 year and it has yet to recover from those consequences.

It had lost more than three thousands soldiers in the war of terrorism by November 2006. Imagine the total loss since then.

No other country in the world has lost this many soldiers for the U.S. so far.

No other country has sold its citizen to be systematically tortured and killed in Gauntanamo, Bagram and other torture centres.

No country in the world has launched war on its own people for Washington and killed and displaced hundreds and thousands.

No other country in the world has housed US drones for butchering it own people in the name of non-existent al-ka-eeda: the CIA’s bogey monster.

This also leads to the question that why is it so that Israel or UK are the US best allies and Pakistan is still considered a threat - and hence the haigh value target - when by comparison Israel has not sacrificed even one soldier for the US so far?

The simple answer is:

Israel, UK and others are allies and buddies in their greater war on humanity for total global domination, whereas Pakistan is being used for small battles on the wider war of terrorism.

So, no matter how mcuh Zia, Mush, Zardari and Kyani serve their masters, in the final analysis, they will always remain mercenaries, not allies.

Source of Article

Any no other country has given Pakistan the money that the US has. Blame those in power in Pakistan for sacrificing their own.

the dollar counts. i hope there is a revolution in pakistan so it can sort out its mess. something like the irani revolution.

rudeboy wrote:the dollar counts. i hope there is a revolution in pakistan so it can sort out its mess. something like the irani revolution.

That is exactly what should not happen. The reason why Musharraf was kept in the seat by the US is because of the unstability of the Pakistani military. If a revolution occurs, America will have to use their connections to try to steer the country to a moderate leader. They will never let the nuclear power capability fall into the wrong hands.

Uncertainty in that region of the Middle East is the last thing the Arab world wants. Another crisis on top of all those crisis' the world already faces.

Bad suggestion in my opinion.

Bora Bora wrote:

britisharab wrote:1100 people disappeared at the hands of security agencies in Pakistan

Many disappeared along with their children

In 2008, 101 people died in the illegal custody of Pakistan agencies - mainly the ISI. Daily Express, Feb 28, 2009 report (Urdu)

No other country in the world has suffered and sacrificed for the U.S. as much as Pakistan did. It fought the US-funded, US-supported, US-engineered Jihad against the Soviet Union for 10 year and it has yet to recover from those consequences.

It had lost more than three thousands soldiers in the war of terrorism by November 2006. Imagine the total loss since then.

No other country in the world has lost this many soldiers for the U.S. so far.

No other country has sold its citizen to be systematically tortured and killed in Gauntanamo, Bagram and other torture centres.

No country in the world has launched war on its own people for Washington and killed and displaced hundreds and thousands.

No other country in the world has housed US drones for butchering it own people in the name of non-existent al-ka-eeda: the CIA’s bogey monster.

This also leads to the question that why is it so that Israel or UK are the US best allies and Pakistan is still considered a threat - and hence the haigh value target - when by comparison Israel has not sacrificed even one soldier for the US so far?

The simple answer is:

Israel, UK and others are allies and buddies in their greater war on humanity for total global domination, whereas Pakistan is being used for small battles on the wider war of terrorism.

So, no matter how mcuh Zia, Mush, Zardari and Kyani serve their masters, in the final analysis, they will always remain mercenaries, not allies.

Source of Article

Any no other country has given Pakistan the money that the US has. Blame those in power in Pakistan for sacrificing their own.

Maybe.....this why US gave money to Paki :
http://atheonews.blogspot.com/2009/03/u ... ction.html

RobbyG wrote:

rudeboy wrote:the dollar counts. i hope there is a revolution in pakistan so it can sort out its mess. something like the irani revolution.

That is exactly what should not happen. The reason why Musharraf was kept in the seat by the US is because of the unstability of the Pakistani military. If a revolution occurs, America will have to use their connections to try to steer the country to a moderate leader. They will never let the nuclear power capability fall into the wrong hands.

Uncertainty in that region of the Middle East is the last thing the Arab world wants. Another crisis on top of all those crisis' the world already faces.

Bad suggestion in my opinion.

robbyg if you know the history of pakistan you will know it has been used by USA ever since it was founded. has pakistan benefiited from its alliance with USA? nope kashmir problem is still unsolved and now pakistan is facing terroism within pakistan. lets not forget indian interferance and even USA interferance in the country. WHY they all doing this? wouldnt be suprised if they have found natural gas or even minerals in Pakistan.

who has benefiited from USA alliance in Pakistan? the politician i m talking about the every general and prime minister that has come into power. millions of dollars have gone to Pakistan from USA for the building of the country instead the politicians have eaten it all and they will continue to do so unless the ppl get the power.

and thats why a revolution is needed. is taleban going to bring a revolution? i am not sure but they have started to radicliaze pakistan and ppl have started to move towards the "islamic" ways of life in Pakistan and thats because of the taleban. so only time will tell whether there is a "islamic revolution" in pakistan, in order to make Pakistan a true Islamic Republic, which at the moment it isnt.

I agree that aid from the US didn't resolve anything. Offcourse no one knows exactly what the details of the spendings in Pakistan are. I think the US uses the money for buying out certain politicians of the administration to gain ground against the Paki military. This explains the current situation for me as a revolution would simply not result in a US determined outcome, which is a prerequisite for them. A revolution can be very unstable for the whole region.

So maybe you can explain to me, why its better for a (unstable situation like) revolution and the powerstruggle that will follow between the Pakistani government, the military and the taliban...

Any thoughts on that?
By the way, Can you explain to me who is more 'moderate islamic' or radically envisioned?

RobbyG wrote:I agree that aid from the US didn't resolve anything. Offcourse no one knows exactly what the details of the spendings in Pakistan are. I think the US uses the money for buying out certain politicians of the administration to gain ground against the Paki military. This explains the current situation for me as a revolution would simply not result in a US determined outcome, which is a prerequisite for them. A revolution can be very unstable for the whole region.

So maybe you can explain to me, why its better for a (unstable situation like) revolution and the powerstruggle that will follow between the Pakistani government, the military and the taliban...

Any thoughts on that?
By the way, Can you explain to me who is more 'moderate islamic' or radically envisioned?

nothing has changed in pakistan for 50 years. and i believe a revolution will bring in the change. something like the Iranian revolution which has cut off USA from its LIFE. this is what the pakis need to do or just hand over pakistan to USA so that it can just become another state of america.

there is no such thing as "moderate" or "extrem" islamic. in Islam there is a yes or a no. either you are a muslim or you aint a muslim.

Thats weird. I hear so many times that Islam is practisioned on different kinds of 'writings'. A different version of Koran means a (slightly) different streaming of Islam. Why would, for instance, a taliban group lecture a far more radical version and interpretate a far more stricter ideology than most Pakistani's and Afghani groups?

In my opinion, there is a clear divide but I'm no expert. I have to rely on information from your region to get a clear understanding.

You didn't answer my former question though. Does that mean you agree that the situation that would occur during a revolution is an unstable one?

britisharab wrote:1100 people disappeared at the hands of security agencies in Pakistan

Many disappeared along with their children

In 2008, 101 people died in the illegal custody of Pakistan agencies - mainly the ISI. Daily Express, Feb 28, 2009 report (Urdu)

No other country in the world has suffered and sacrificed for the U.S. as much as Pakistan did. It fought the US-funded, US-supported, US-engineered Jihad against the Soviet Union for 10 year and it has yet to recover from those consequences.

It had lost more than three thousands soldiers in the war of terrorism by November 2006. Imagine the total loss since then.

No other country in the world has lost this many soldiers for the U.S. so far.

No other country has sold its citizen to be systematically tortured and killed in Gauntanamo, Bagram and other torture centres.

No country in the world has launched war on its own people for Washington and killed and displaced hundreds and thousands.

No other country in the world has housed US drones for butchering it own people in the name of non-existent al-ka-eeda: the CIA’s bogey monster.

This also leads to the question that why is it so that Israel or UK are the US best allies and Pakistan is still considered a threat - and hence the haigh value target - when by comparison Israel has not sacrificed even one soldier for the US so far?

The simple answer is:

Israel, UK and others are allies and buddies in their greater war on humanity for total global domination, whereas Pakistan is being used for small battles on the wider war of terrorism.

So, no matter how mcuh Zia, Mush, Zardari and Kyani serve their masters, in the final analysis, they will always remain mercenaries, not allies.

Source of Article

Typical press. What a load of crap. You want people to believe that the state of Pakistan is because of the US?

Musharaff is having a good laugh and Zadari is laughing all the way to the bank. Apparently Musharaff didn't leave much for Zadari so Zadari went begging with his hand out to other countries. "Mr 10%", who went to "Mr I Want Everything", got nothing because he was begging from countries that knew that the money would end up in his pocket.

The problems Pakistan has had, have, and will continue to have is a result of a corrupt government, not because of the US. It's like saying if the US stopped funding Pakistan all Pakistan's problems will go away.

Bora Bora wrote:

britisharab wrote:1100 people disappeared at the hands of security agencies in Pakistan

Many disappeared along with their children

In 2008, 101 people died in the illegal custody of Pakistan agencies - mainly the ISI. Daily Express, Feb 28, 2009 report (Urdu)

No other country in the world has suffered and sacrificed for the U.S. as much as Pakistan did. It fought the US-funded, US-supported, US-engineered Jihad against the Soviet Union for 10 year and it has yet to recover from those consequences.

It had lost more than three thousands soldiers in the war of terrorism by November 2006. Imagine the total loss since then.

No other country in the world has lost this many soldiers for the U.S. so far.

No other country has sold its citizen to be systematically tortured and killed in Gauntanamo, Bagram and other torture centres.

No country in the world has launched war on its own people for Washington and killed and displaced hundreds and thousands.

No other country in the world has housed US drones for butchering it own people in the name of non-existent al-ka-eeda: the CIA’s bogey monster.

This also leads to the question that why is it so that Israel or UK are the US best allies and Pakistan is still considered a threat - and hence the haigh value target - when by comparison Israel has not sacrificed even one soldier for the US so far?

The simple answer is:

Israel, UK and others are allies and buddies in their greater war on humanity for total global domination, whereas Pakistan is being used for small battles on the wider war of terrorism.

So, no matter how mcuh Zia, Mush, Zardari and Kyani serve their masters, in the final analysis, they will always remain mercenaries, not allies.

Source of Article

Typical press. What a load of crap. You want people to believe that the state of Pakistan is because of the US?

Musharaff is having a good laugh and Zadari is laughing all the way to the bank. Apparently Musharaff didn't leave much for Zadari so Zadari went begging with his hand out to other countries. "Mr 10%", who went to "Mr I Want Everything", got nothing because he was begging from countries that knew that the money would end up in his pocket.

The problems Pakistan has had, have, and will continue to have is a result of a corrupt government, not because of the US. It's like saying if the US stopped funding Pakistan all Pakistan's problems will go away.

i agree with you it is corrupting but USA has a say in Pakistan. Why is it that every primeminister or president once appointed goes to USA? hmmm.

look at the history of the country and you will see how exactly it has been used by the USA during the cold war, afghan war and now the talibani war. has pakistan benefitted from any of it. apart from being supplied with a odd 50 f/16s pakistan has not benefitted.

what the USA created in Afghanistan to fight against USSR i.e al qaeda is now in pakistan. USA cant fight war at many fonts it has created a mess not only for itself but its allies to.

I do blame pakistan gov, military and ISI for everything that is going on but I also have to blame USA who are hell bent on removing pakistan from earth. and it doesnt really help when your next door happens to be india and afghanistan .

RobbyG wrote:Thats weird. I hear so many times that Islam is practisioned on different kinds of 'writings'. A different version of Koran means a (slightly) different streaming of Islam. Why would, for instance, a taliban group lecture a far more radical version and interpretate a far more stricter ideology than most Pakistani's and Afghani groups?

In my opinion, there is a clear divide but I'm no expert. I have to rely on information from your region to get a clear understanding.

You didn't answer my former question though. Does that mean you agree that the situation that would occur during a revolution is an unstable one?

you are write in saying that muslims misinterept the Koran. they will see something "kill all the infidels" but they wont see why muslims should kill all the infidels. thats a shame but thats only because of lack of education and wealth.

i am sure half of the taliban force is not even islamic and know the basics of islam. yet they fight. why they fight? am sure the taliban and al qaeda pay them an attractive salary which the afghan gov couldnt pay.

afghan gov itself is corrupt and all the monies going into afghan by USA or EU is being eaten by officals. it will only take some time before you will see ordinary afghans joining al qaeda and taliban because of the salary they offer.

Like I said in Islam there is no such thing as a radical muslim or a moderate muslim. either you are a muslim or you are not a muslim. what the talibans want to do is they want sharia laws implemented in pakistan. something like in KSA or even some parts of UAE or other middle eastern countries.

I dont there is a divide. i would say that the talibans even though they are extreme are pulling a huge amount of support, it could be because of the financial situation or the fact that most ppl in that region are sick of living in "shit" conditions where the crime rate is high and the living standards are not perfect. they want a change and see new faces.

Currently that region is unstable as it is. anything can happen. it is so dangerous you could have a WW3 started from there. But I believe that if there is revolution led by some ordinary guy who believes in religion and education then there would be stability in that region. who that guy is i dont know. will he be successful i dont know. like i mentioned USA will continue to interfer and so will india. ever since Pakistan has been formed it has been interfered by a foreign country. Histroy does say alot. But we all know USA does that everywhere. Even in the Iran it did it. but those guys eventually said to USA enough is enough get out. and thats what is needed in Pakistan. some guy who goes into power with the help of USA and once in power tells USA to bugger off.

personally speaking most of the muslim leaders are scared of USA. and those who are not scared i.e sadam, gadafi etc are either killed or have sanctioned opposed against them. but the fact is these guys survive no matter how. sadam is dead but IRAQ is in a mess and I am sure many iraqis wished he was still in power. Ok he killed many of his own ppl but he united his country. didnt the indians kill many sikhs of punjab when they wanted a separate state? didnt the british kill many irish when they wanted their own state?

RobbyG wrote:Thats weird. I hear so many times that Islam is practisioned on different kinds of 'writings'. A different version of Koran means a (slightly) different streaming of Islam. Why would, for instance, a taliban group lecture a far more radical version and interpretate a far more stricter ideology than most Pakistani's and Afghani groups?

In my opinion, there is a clear divide but I'm no expert. I have to rely on information from your region to get a clear understanding.

You didn't answer my former question though. Does that mean you agree that the situation that would occur during a revolution is an unstable one?

Money makes people Funny...it can even make you to forget that you are a fake, especially when it's huge American Dollars to kill your very Own, that's what America is doing, paying both the Pakistani and the Taliban........but just today, Mullah Omar told the Pakistani Taliban to stop their efforts in Pakistan and come to Afghanistan to finally KICK OUT THE YANKEES DIDDLE DOO.