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erm no you will get strung up for that! It's the Arabian Gulf and nothing else!

The diary I was given at work had some maps at the back and it called the 'Persian Gulf' just 'The Gulf'.

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Of course, it also showed an unnamed country somewhere between Lebanon and Egypt. Don't know why it wasn't named, but its capital Jerusalem was shown. ha!

We had to redso a load of diaries printed with Persian Gulf as the locals got offended. Americans usually call it that. But it should be referred to as the Arabian Gulf.

Sorry Chocoholic but it is and always has been called Persian Gulf. It’s just the last few years that some Arab countries start to call it Arabian for nationalistic purposes. If you look at maps as recent as 400 years ago, you will find that all the land around Persian Gulf belonged to Iran.

I think after the last complain by Iran some Arab countries stopped paying map companies to print “Arabic Gulf”. Now they print the right name even in Gulf News.

The last one to be corrected is Google Earth.

Hmm interesting. Most companies I know, certainly wouldn't use that. Not here anyway.

The UK calls the English Channel just that, the French call it La Manche. At least they don't have fights over it

What's in a name? It depends where you stand I guess.

Considering you're just talking about a part of the 6 billion year old Earth I guess no-one really owns any of it to say you must call it this or that, it in the grand scheme.

Very true.

bezor wrote:Sorry Chocoholic but it is and always has been called Persian Gulf. It’s just the last few years that some Arab countries start to call it Arabian for nationalistic purposes. If you look at maps as recent as 400 years ago, you will find that all the land around Persian Gulf belonged to Iran.

I think after the last complain by Iran some Arab countries stopped paying map companies to print “Arabic Gulf”. Now they print the right name even in Gulf News.

The last one to be corrected is Google Earth.

In the past before 1960 it was called Persian Gulf and that is true... but now it is known as the Arabian Gulf or in Arabic; Al-Khaleej Al-Arabee

The only people who are ranting about this are the Iranians them selves... so just get over it.

quatroporte wrote:The only people who are ranting about this are the Iranians them selves... so just get over it.

Hm, I learnt about "Arabian Gulf" only on arriving to the UAE. It's called as "Pesrsian Gulf" in most countries so far I think.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_Gulf

Red Chief wrote:

quatroporte wrote:The only people who are ranting about this are the Iranians them selves... so just get over it.

Hm, I learnt about "Arabian Gulf" only on arriving to the UAE. It's called as "Pesrsian Gulf" in most countries so far I think.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_Gulf

true because all the history books are still refer the old name... UN still refer to this body as Persian gulf.

however, this body of water is shared by 1 Persian country vs 6 Arab countries. I think it does make sense to call it Arabian Gulf

the name came out when the Persians used to rule those lands.. well ehhh not anymore

but honestly... who cares... call it what ever.. its just funny how the Iranians are the only people in this world are so offended

If you google some more, you'll find that most 'western' countries call it the Persian gulf. To arab countries it's the Arabian Gulf.

In terms of talk, Western people simply call it the Gulf.

But the lap of water in the north near Kuwait is actually named the Persian Gulf and the southern part near the UAE is called the Arabian Gulf (Arabian Peninsula)

Lets name it what you like. Oil comes mostly from the Persian Gulf for all I know. Hence the abundant use of the word in the media.

Cheers

[quote="quatroporte]
In the past before 1960 it was called Persian Gulf and that is true... but now it is known as the Arabian Gulf or in Arabic; Al-Khaleej Al-Arabee

The only people who are ranting about this are the Iranians them selves... so just get over it.

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Well if you did not try to pay your way to make everybody call it Arabian, we would not rant about it.

quatroporte wrote:

Red Chief wrote:

quatroporte wrote:The only people who are ranting about this are the Iranians them selves... so just get over it.

Hm, I learnt about "Arabian Gulf" only on arriving to the UAE. It's called as "Pesrsian Gulf" in most countries so far I think.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_Gulf

true because all the history books are still refer the old name... UN still refer to this body as Persian gulf.

however, this body of water is shared by 1 Persian country vs 6 Arab countries. I think it does make sense to call it Arabian Gulf

the name came out when the Persians used to rule those lands.. well ehhh not anymore

but honestly... who cares... call it what ever.. its just funny how the Iranians are the only people in this world are so offended

Who cares? Then maybe they start to call Emirates the 15th province of Iran. If it’s so unimportant then it should not matter.

That one country is the big power of this area. You keep saying Arabian and that’s why you start hearing some Iranian saying Bahrain is the 14th province of Iran. And you keep saying Arabian and soon they start to include Emirates in there.

Do you really want to play this game with those people?

Speedhump wrote:The UK calls the English Channel just that, the French call it La Manche. At least they don't have fights over it

What's in a name? It depends where you stand I guess.

Considering you're just talking about a part of the 6 billion year old Earth I guess no-one really owns any of it to say you must call it this or that, it in the grand scheme.

The English call a certain item a "French letter", the French call the same thing an "English letter"

Well I don't see The Africans or the Australians or the Asians asking to change the name of the Indian Ocean.

"Persian Gulf will remain Persian Gulf"
Express your at such a heresy by Arab-bribed National misinformation Geographic

The Persian Gulf is a waterway that stretches far back into history, it was from its shores that the mighty Persian Empire, the worlds first and greatest civilisation, rose to conquer what was then, the known world. By its shores, the ships of the ancient world traded, and paid homage to the mighty Empire for whom this Gulf was named.

When the armies of the Macedonian King Alexander rampaged through the Orient, he stopped at the Persian Gulf, and believed it to be the end of the world. The river Oceanus he thought, circled the world from here, to the Caspian and then onto the Mediterranean.

Witness to thousands of years of civilisation, war, success and tragedy, the Persian Gulf entered the modern era becoming the worlds largest source of fossil fuels and thus enshrining its importance as the worlds most strategic waterway.

In recent years, revisionism from certain groups has seen an attempt to change the name and history of this ancient gulf.

I was involved in this argument a few months ago, when I was sent Emails by Iranians complaining about me referring to the "Arabian Gulf" on my two web sites, visit-dubai.co.uk and visit-qatar.com .
However, if you look at the sites, I have tried to be very fair and USE BOTH NAMES....with an explanation.

There is no doubt that at one time, this body of water was known IN ENGLISH as the "Persian Gulf", but as has been said, the "English Channel" is "La Manche [ "THE SLEEVE" IN ENGLISH.......GOOD NAME...IT LOOKS LIKE A SLEEVE!!]

So, what did the ARAB NATIONS on the southern shores call that body of water years ago?

As has been said, there are far more ARAB NATIONS on the shores of the Gulf , than Persian........WHICH ITSELF DROPPED PERSIA IN FAVOUR OF IRAN........so why is not "Iranian Gulf" being claimed??

Mind you, my National Geographic atlas.....one of the WORLD TOP SELLERS ....has "Persian Gulf".....but ALSO HAS ABU ZABY , for ABU DHABI and DUBAYY FOR DUBAI !!

If the Arab countries........WHO OWN SOME OF THE GULF WATER AND EXTRACT OIL AND GAS WEALTH GALORE FROM IT.......WANT TO CALL THE WATER RIGHT ON THE SHORES OF DUBAI AND ABU DHABI .....AND SURROUNDING QATAR AND BAHRAIN ........ARABIAN GULF.....I WILL GO ALONG WITH THEM.....OUT OF COURTESY.

BUT I ALSO EXPLAIN THAT THE BODY OF WATER IS KNOWN TO OTHERS IN THE WORLD , AS "PERSIAN GULF".

To English -speaking MAP-MAKERS, it is MAINLY called "Persian Gulf" still. THE TIMES atlas says "Persian Gulf".......but did THE TIMES AND NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC ASK THE ARABS ON ITS SHORES??

What, out of curiosity , did ARABS call this water 100 years ago, say??

Another point , BOMBAY has been changed to MUMBAI and MADRAS to CHENNAI.....by INDIANS !!.

Now, NO-ONE IN INDIA ASKED THE ENGLISH.........AND WHY SHOULD THEY ????

In English it's called a French letter ,
Cos the English think it sounds better!!
It can be a Johnny,
But never a "Ronnie"
But "Biggs" might "come" when you've met her !!!

Chocoholic wrote:We had to redso a load of diaries printed with Persian Gulf as the locals got offended. Americans usually call it that. But it should be referred to as the Arabian Gulf.

There are those who are unaware of the historical truths and while they do not bother to study the history of the region, they unintentionally contribute to a psychological warfare against the Iranian people. Among them, are certain elements in the U.S.

Defence Department, especially those who serve in Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and Bahrain. In order to appease local sensitivities, "they" use "Arabian Gulf" instead of the "Persian Gulf' simply to please their hosts, unaware that they are refusing to accept historical facts and international usage. Indeed they are offending the national feelings of the Iranian nation.
The ancient Greek geographers and historians called this body of water "Sinus Persicus". It is interesting that since before the time of Christ until as late as the 17" century, the world greatest historians and cartographer s from Strabon and Ptolemy to famous Flemish geographer, Mercator, along with Arab historians referred to the Gulf south of Iran as either "Sinus Persicus" or " Mare Persicum", as distinct from "Arabicus Sinus", the name they used to refer to what is known as the Red Sea.
The "Arabian Gulf' was the ancient name of the Red Sea, actually a gulf prior to being connected with the Mediterranean via the opening of the Suez Canal. For the last two millennia the term "Persian Gulf' has been used universally by historians, geographers, scholars, strategists and politicians. Also Arab historians and geographers from Ibn al-Mujawir to Yusuf Kamal, author of "Monumenta Cartographica", used "AlKhalij al-Fars", or Persian Gulf. The late president Sadat of Egypt, in his book, "Revolt on the Nile", correctly identified the Gulf by its historical and original name. Anyone who has troubled himself to look at antique maps, contemporary writings and research documents, historical accounts of the region and encyclopedias written either by western or eastern observers and scholars would conclude that there is but one single name that is applicable to the Persian Gulf. It is the practice of the White House, the State Department, the U.S. government agencies and also the United Nations Secretariat, and National Geographic Society, to use in the document and maps the term "Persian Gulf" to indicate the body of water between Iran to the north and east and a number of other states to the south and west. It is a long established usage that is followed by publishers of atlases and geographical dictionaries.
It was in the 1950s that and in order to manipulate the simple yet vital nationalistic sentiment of its people, that the then Iraqi president Colonel Abdol Karim Ghasem, ventured to refer to the "Persian Gulf', as the "Arabian Gulf'. His intention was to create a new common enemy for the Arab world which were busy fighting Israel under the guidance of Egyptian Colonel, Gamal Abdol Nasser, and to divert the attention of Arab world from Nasser's leadership in Egypt to his own in Baghdad. This strategy back-fired in the true sense of the word The scholastic community in Baghdad as a whole, and the faculty in the Baghdad University, especially due to overwhelming amount of historic and geographical evidence, reaching back to records as ancient as 2.5 millennia, refrained from supporting the belligerent and the unfounded claim of Colonel Abdol Karim Ghasem.
Even later, when President Gamal Abdol Nasser under the pretext of enhancing his Pan-Arabist ideology proceeded to use Ghasem's self-invented term for the "Persian Gulf', he was instantly reminded of his own earlier comments wherein he had emphatically described the boundaries of the Arab World as: "Menal Moheet al-Atlasi elal Khalij-ol Farsi " (from Atlantic Ocean to the Persian Gulf)
As mentioned before, throughout history, educators, historians, travelers and geographers have always referred to this region as the "Persian Gulf"not only because of the vast coastal lines of various Persian Empire or the number of its Persian/Iranian inhabitants, but simply, and in their own words, to recognize the noble notion that, "The Persians were the first to have developed and greatly improved this part of the earth"
Therefore, to apply the term "Arabian Gulf' or any other name to the Persian Gulf is an error, and indeed is to become a party to the psychological warfare mainly aimed against the Iranian people. Thus, this change of historical name, especially by some in the service of the U. S. government who are serving in the region is entirely absurd, counterproductive, and does not serve the interests of the United States.
We can hope that sooner or later, the rule of reason and rationalism will triumph in Iran and liberty and democracy will replace the Theocratic regime in Tehran. Iranians and Arab must live together in peace. The Untied States and the Arab nations of the region need to deal with the people of Iran, in a just and equitable manner, just as the Iranians need to deal similarly with their neighbours. Furthermore Iran must re-establish friendly relationship with the United States on the basis of mutual trust and equality. The U.S. Department of Defense and especially the Navy which always take geo-strategic factors into consideration, must also take seriously the historic sensitivity and the rightful concerns of the Iranian people.

It should be remembered that for three decades prior to the revolution in Iran, the Pentagon trained close to 30,000 members of Iranian Armed Forces and considered Iran a principal element of the regions stability. It ought not forget the past and close the door to future friendly relationships that will indeed be essential for stability and peace in the Persian Gulf. It should be remembered also that the Iranian Navy played a crucial role as the stabilizer for two decades following the British withdrawal from the Persian Gulf in 1971. Indeed it was the Iranian Armed Forces which defended both north and south of the Strait of Homuz against Marxist subversion. On one hand it prevented the fall of Oman, and on the other hand thwarted the Yemeni inspired guerrillas to undermine the Persian Gulf Sheikdoms.
Iran is a land bridge between two centers of the world's most important energy zones, and the only power among the Persian Gulf states that has the capability to undertake military operation beyond its own frontiers. Iran is in the heart of the Eurasian Corridor. Because of its geo-strategic location, population, resources and cultural identity it can play a decisive role in the security of the Persian Gulf.. Iran was once a moderating force and it could, once again become a moderate regional force, friendly to the United States.
For more information and clarification we would like to refer the readers to following publications mostly written by historians, geographers and scholars regarding the Persian Gulf. We are certain that only through rational channels we can shed light on and sort historical facts from baseless propaganda, which were at one time aimed to toy with the territorial integrity of Iran, albeit currently being directed in reaction to the short-sighted policies and irresponsible political behaviour of the ruling clerical regime of Tehran.

1) Revolt On The Nile, Anwar Sadat, John Day Inc. New York, 1957
2) Monumenta Cartographica et Aegypti ( Le Caire), Yusuf Kamal, 1926-51.
3) Geographie, De Strabon, Paris, 1805
4) Historical Geography of Iraq, Mohammad Rashid, Baghdad University, 1965
5) Science and Civilization of China, J. Needham, Cambridge University Press, 1959
6) The Past History of Arabs and Islam, Omar Abdol-Nasr, Beirut, 1962
7)Political History of Islam, Dr. Hassan Ibrahim Hassan. Cairo, 1935

Thanks for the abundant amount of information that I already shortened in one sentence on page 1 of this topic.

Northern part of the Gulf: Persian Gulf
Southern part of the Gulf: Arabian Gulf

Wikipedia is very handy indeed. But Google Earth also indicated both names very clearly when you zoom in far enough. In my version however, the Arabian Gulf name is indicated with a slighty larger font type...perhaps that gives some people the final push

Speedhump wrote:The UK calls the English Channel just that, the French call it La Manche. At least they don't have fights over it

What's in a name? It depends where you stand I guess.

Considering you're just talking about a part of the 6 billion year old Earth I guess no-one really owns any of it to say you must call it this or that, it in the grand scheme.

I guess if the French start to pay everybody to call the Chanel La Manche, then you would get pissed off.

The main concern is that the Arab governments got the message and start to call it by its right name in their newspapers. The Persian Gulf. Finito.

RedKite wrote:I was involved in this argument a few months ago, when I was sent Emails by Iranians complaining about me referring to the "Arabian Gulf" on my two web sites, visit-dubai.co.uk and visit-qatar.com .
However, if you look at the sites, I have tried to be very fair and USE BOTH NAMES....with an explanation.

There is no doubt that at one time, this body of water was known IN ENGLISH as the "Persian Gulf", but as has been said, the "English Channel" is "La Manche [ "THE SLEEVE" IN ENGLISH.......GOOD NAME...IT LOOKS LIKE A SLEEVE!!]

So, what did the ARAB NATIONS on the southern shores call that body of water years ago?

As has been said, there are far more ARAB NATIONS on the shores of the Gulf , than Persian........WHICH ITSELF DROPPED PERSIA IN FAVOUR OF IRAN........so why is not "Iranian Gulf" being claimed??

Mind you, my National Geographic atlas.....one of the WORLD TOP SELLERS ....has "Persian Gulf".....but ALSO HAS ABU ZABY , for ABU DHABI and DUBAYY FOR DUBAI !!

If the Arab countries........WHO OWN SOME OF THE GULF WATER AND EXTRACT OIL AND GAS WEALTH GALORE FROM IT.......WANT TO CALL THE WATER RIGHT ON THE SHORES OF DUBAI AND ABU DHABI .....AND SURROUNDING QATAR AND BAHRAIN ........ARABIAN GULF.....I WILL GO ALONG WITH THEM.....OUT OF COURTESY.

BUT I ALSO EXPLAIN THAT THE BODY OF WATER IS KNOWN TO OTHERS IN THE WORLD , AS "PERSIAN GULF".

To English -speaking MAP-MAKERS, it is MAINLY called "Persian Gulf" still. THE TIMES atlas says "Persian Gulf".......but did THE TIMES AND NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC ASK THE ARABS ON ITS SHORES??

What, out of curiosity , did ARABS call this water 100 years ago, say??

Another point , BOMBAY has been changed to MUMBAI and MADRAS to CHENNAI.....by INDIANS !!.

Now, NO-ONE IN INDIA ASKED THE ENGLISH.........AND WHY SHOULD THEY ????

well said.

By the way... Wiki did quote that Persian Gulf was changed to Arabian Gulf in the ATLAS but Iran made so much fuzz about it (as usual) and it was changed back to Persian gulf.

National Geographic Society uses the name Persian Gulf to refer to this body of water. In 2004, the society published a new edition of its National Geographic Atlas of the World using the term "Arabian Gulf" as an alternative name (in smaller type and in parentheses) for "Persian Gulf". This resulted in heavy protests by many Iranians, especially the Internet user community, which led to the Iranian government acting on the issue and banning the distribution of the society's publications in Iran. On December 30, 2004, the society reversed its decision and published an Atlas Update, removing the parenthetical reference and adding a note: "Historically and most commonly known as the Persian Gulf, this body of water is referred to by some as the Arabian Gulf."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_Gu ... ng_dispute

bezor wrote:

Speedhump wrote:The UK calls the English Channel just that, the French call it La Manche. At least they don't have fights over it

What's in a name? It depends where you stand I guess.

Considering you're just talking about a part of the 6 billion year old Earth I guess no-one really owns any of it to say you must call it this or that, it in the grand scheme.

I guess if the French start to pay everybody to call the Chanel La Manche, then you would get pissed off.

The main concern is that the Arab governments got the message and start to call it by its right name in their newspapers. The Persian Gulf. Finito.

Good point. Maybe Argentina would also start paying other countries to call the Falkland Islands 'Las Malvinas' ....

Wiki is nt a reliable source. The information on this site is put up by random people and is not verified.

Chocoholic wrote:Wiki is nt a reliable source. The information on this site is put up by random people and is not verified.

On the other hand, Wikipedia often includes a lot of references to scholarly material at the bottom of a Wiki page, which can be followed to provide further reading. Wikipedia is useful as a small part of an online investigation, but I agree its veracity can't be taken for granted.

Chocoholic wrote:Wiki is nt a reliable source. The information on this site is put up by random people and is not verified.

A 2005 study tells me otherwise:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reliability_of_Wikipedia

A study in 2005 suggested that for scientific articles Wikipedia came close to the level of accuracy of Encyclopædia Britannica and had a similar rate of "serious errors."