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Ruskie wrote:

RobbyG wrote:Because of the supply demand issue we currently have between oil authocracies and Russia, the Europeans are trying to get away from this dependancy since Russia shot off Ukraine a winter back and that means Germany doesn't get a feet of gas either at that point!
I merely logical that we seek alternatives and gaining common ground from it by strategically using the resources we have in the Western world.

Don't blame us we are just doing business. I think you'd be upset if Ukraine stole billions dollars worth of gas that was intended for you.

Who's blaming? Not me. Russia has every right of buying strategic resources. Its simply Europe that is lacking political courage to put a stop to it.

I don't know if you read the papers lately. Russia's Gazprom just bought a 20 percent stake in ENI from Spain. Thats another company that had a share in Italy's shoe, where the new Algerian Pipelines should come out on.

Gone, strategically obtained by Russia. Europe has got a lot to learn from quick and decisive unilateral leadership actions. Fools are we sometimes.

Idealist are realists. No daydreamers or gazzguzlers. I prefer being idealist. The universe is inherently instable, but it always find itself some form of equilibrium. Lets keep it that way shall we?

Speedhump wrote:Robby, I love the fact that you're an idealist, honestly. It's touching. But stop trying to expect that it will actually work.

You already gave up the slightest piece of hope you had left, I reckon

RobbyG wrote:

Speedhump wrote:Robby, I love the fact that you're an idealist, honestly. It's touching. But stop trying to expect that it will actually work.

You already gave up the slightest piece of hope you had left, I reckon

LOL. Jaded..? Moi..?

A TRUE realist, and NOT an idealist.

Speedhump wrote:

RobbyG wrote:

Speedhump wrote:Robby, I love the fact that you're an idealist, honestly. It's touching. But stop trying to expect that it will actually work.

You already gave up the slightest piece of hope you had left, I reckon

LOL. Jaded..? Moi..?

A TRUE realist, and NOT an idealist.

A bit of a negative realist then. I am the positive one and will influence my environment in that same way. Keep up hope sonny, realistically.

You could learn something here before jumping of that 70 story high rise you about to jump from. You already gave up hope for a better environment.

RobbyG wrote:

Speedhump wrote:

RobbyG wrote:

Speedhump wrote:Robby, I love the fact that you're an idealist, honestly. It's touching. But stop trying to expect that it will actually work.

You already gave up the slightest piece of hope you had left, I reckon

LOL. Jaded..? Moi..?

A TRUE realist, and NOT an idealist.

A bit of a negative realist then. I am the positive one and will influence my environment in that same way. Keep up hope sonny, realistically.

You could learn something here before jumping of that 70 story high rise you about to jump from. You already gave up hope for a better environment.

Bless you mate, thanks for your concern!

Seriously, it is possible accept the world as it is, warts and all, without wanting to top yourself, I do and I'm at peace with it

I hope you can see generally I have a sense of humour (OK, maybe black, almost Russian!), it helps too.

Also I haven't given up hope, I like the fact that your views exist even if I can't subscribe to them myself. I can get hot on topics, the UAE is quite a conduit for the smuggling of endangered species for example. That's a disgrace. The authorities are trying though, so what to do?

Speedhump wrote:I can get hot on topics, the UAE is quite a conduit for the smuggling of endangered species for example. That's a disgrace. The authorities are trying though, so what to do?

Exactly. Someone managed to get Crudeboy into the country.

Bora Bora wrote:

Speedhump wrote:I can get hot on topics, the UAE is quite a conduit for the smuggling of endangered species for example. That's a disgrace. The authorities are trying though, so what to do?

Exactly. Someone managed to get Crudeboy into the country.

What to do!? Simple

Oppose it as soon as the opportunity arises!! We got an article that gives an incentive

RobbyG wrote:

Bora Bora wrote:

Speedhump wrote:I can get hot on topics, the UAE is quite a conduit for the smuggling of endangered species for example. That's a disgrace. The authorities are trying though, so what to do?

Exactly. Someone managed to get Crudeboy into the country.

What to do!? Simple

Oppose it as soon as the opportunity arises!! We got an article that gives an incentive

Fair comment.

Let’s face it! What’s going on in Dubai, with regards to the labor abuse, is no different from what’s going on in other countries where there is a chance for such abuse to flourish.

Let’s take for example India, where most of the abused laborers in Dubai come from. Human rights abuse in India, including labor abuse, is big and well documented. It ranges from child labor to human trafficking in servants and prostitutes, to slavery, to the exploitation of workers, to the abuse of women and children…etc. The movie Slumdog Millionaire just barely scratched the surface of some of this abuse.

Abuse is sadly part of the dark side of human nature. The strong abuses the weak, the rich abuses the poor and the powerful abuses the powerless.

Labor abuse (including maids abuse) in Dubai can only eliminated, or at least minimized, by having tough labor laws, labor unions, free press, freedom of speech, the strict enforcement of the labor laws not to mention reforming the present sponsorship system.

RobbyG wrote:
I don't know if you read the papers lately. Russia's Gazprom just bought a 20 percent stake in ENI from Spain. Thats another company that had a share in Italy's shoe, where the new Algerian Pipelines should come out on.

Royal DUTCH Shell has a big stake in Sakhalin Energy due to bribing Russian goverment in 90s...
BP has 20% of its fields in Russia for next to nothing...

Why can't Gazprom have anything in Europe?

What's the problem, dude?

It's simply Russia that is lacking political courage to kick them out, both of them...

Red Chief wrote:

RobbyG wrote:
I don't know if you read the papers lately. Russia's Gazprom just bought a 20 percent stake in ENI from Spain. Thats another company that had a share in Italy's shoe, where the new Algerian Pipelines should come out on.

Royal DUTCH Shell has a big stake in Sakhalin Energy due to bribing Russian goverment in 90s...
BP has 20% of his field in Russia for next to nothing...

Why can't Gazprom have anything in Europe?

What's the problem, dude?

It's simply Russia that is lacking political courage to kick them out, both of them...

Now you are pretending to be the victim. while Russia got every right to buy that, making Europe its victim. That you didn't understand from my rant.

You should read a bit better too and not be all that negative. Its is the Russians that show to let its former allies down in the cold, by winter gas supply shut-offs. In Europe they have nothing to say about gas supplies. Russia controls the wheels. Don't you think we have a sincere reason to complain?

God damn Russians control the worlds resources on that vast 'continent' you have over there! Do you mind the Europeans taking up a little share of resources!??

Don't go cry to me now Red Chief. The Russians are already claiming parts of the polar caps by increasing their military presence around Alaska. The f@cking icecaps aren't even molten yet!!!! Eager MoFo



ps: BTW, Shell got ripped by Putin in the last seconds of Sachalin project, so they had to deliver near 25 to 50 percent of its profits to Russia, or they were able to pack the bags and leave instantly!. How about unfair after multibillion dollar of investments, with rights granted during Sovjet governments that were as corrupt as your ancestors!.

RobbyG wrote:How about unfair after multibillion dollar of investments. Last second, they come in, or we (Shell, Dutch) can leave...

Are you ignorant? Who paid those billions? Russian goverment were, all their overrated expences... Good game all those sharks play...

Anyway Russia is absolutely right to speak with West on the language they clearly understand...

Of cause Supermajors want to treat Russia as Nigeria, buying big stakes for next to nothing, like it used to be in 90s...

P.S. Soviet Gov.? It's awesome, guy!

Red Chief wrote:

RobbyG wrote:How about unfair after multibillion dollar of investments. Last second, they come in, or we (Shell, Dutch) can leave...

Are you ignorant? Who paid those billions? Russian goverment were, all their overrated expences... Good game all those sharks play...

Anyway Russia is absolutely right to speak with West on the language they clearly understand...

Of cause Supermajors wants to treat Russia as Nigeria, buying big stakes for next to nothing, like it used to be in 90s...

Well, I got to agree with you. Russia is doing way better with Putin on the wheel. Its a firm leader and he's surely showing he's got power of resources and the means to back them.

Its is however a dirty game they play. But a profitable one. O wait, thats what capitalism was al about
I merely hope they get somewhat more reasonable in the future, as this war mentality is showing signs of a new cold war, but instead of nukes they use natural resources now !!

Haha, I must give Putin credit for his efforts. Russia does way better than the former Soviet era's.

Tom Jones wrote:Let’s face it! What’s going on in Dubai, with regards to the labor abuse, is no different from what’s going on in other countries where there is a chance for such abuse to flourish.

Let’s take for example India, where most of the abused laborers in Dubai come from. Human rights abuse in India, including labor abuse, is big and well documented. It ranges from child labor to human trafficking in servants and prostitutes, to slavery, to the exploitation of workers, to the abuse of women and children…etc. The movie Slumdog Millionaire just barely scratched the surface of some of this abuse.

Abuse is sadly part of the dark side of human nature. The strong abuses the weak, the rich abuses the poor and the powerful abuses the powerless.

Labor abuse (including maids abuse) in Dubai can only eliminated, or at least minimized, by having tough labor laws, labor unions, free press, freedom of speech, the strict enforcement of the labor laws not to mention reforming the present sponsorship system.

Very true, but I suspect this all seems more sensational in Dubai because it is marketing itself as a 1st world country, but it is only the veneer, underneath it is still very 3rd world.

I agree with that Kanelli, I guess that IS the main reason it's so easy for people to bash Dubai. You can't make a developed country overnight. Things are changing for the better and laws are developing in the right direction but it all takes time to change habits and courses of action developed over generations, and the fact that the authorities turned a blind eye to the treatment of workers, boy jockeys, maids, etc. for so long is just that's the way it always was in the past (and not just here!).

Lets review what chocoholic said earlier , if you are not part of the solution then are part of the problem ! and let's talk about those issues UAE had. yes it is a an excellent thing to be dedicated to human rights ,I'm totally with seeing human race having a better life but did they ?


jockeys
Lets take for example the boy jockeys, everyone called for them to stop this practice which was not suitable for the underage ,but when they and their fathers lost over 4000 jobs and got deported back home and again faced the poor level of living, where are those ppl who called for this practice to stop ? Vanished all of a sudden. how could those ppl been part of the solution ? was the campaign for them or against them ? was is to only to satisfy someone egos who stopped half way of making a better life for them jockeys .the end result was to leave those families there to die . so you see ,you became part of the problem ,not part of the solution.

Just like when I ask my loved ones chocoholic and her girlfriend (what do you thing is the right approach to solve a cretin issue ) ,their reply's would be ( how should I know ) !! no matter what, you will end your day in in the comfort of your fluffy bed.


And the same goes for the rest of those issues …

Child jockeys have been 'imported' by pretend 'uncles' (in other words human trafficking) and sold to racing farms, you know this. They are abandoned there and suffer not only excruciating terror strapped to huge animals, but also suffer s*xual abuse by their employers. It is all documented, even here, we're not talking about articles written in western newspapers.

Nine year olds cannot and should not work as jockeys, or in sweatshops in India or Asia, or anywhere for that matter. You know very well they have been used as puppets and had no choice in the matter. They still are, in illegal racing meetings which are occasionally exposed. Why? What on earth possesses adults to abuse small powerless children this way.

The government have made half-hearted attempts to stop it by issuing new laws several times since the 1990's (in fact I think just issuing the same law again and again), but it still goes on.

Tom Jones wrote:Let’s face it! What’s going on in Dubai, with regards to the labor abuse, is no different from what’s going on in other countries where there is a chance for such abuse to flourish.

Let’s take for example India, where most of the abused laborers in Dubai come from. Human rights abuse in India, including labor abuse, is big and well documented. It ranges from child labor to human trafficking in servants and prostitutes, to slavery, to the exploitation of workers, to the abuse of women and children…etc. The movie Slumdog Millionaire just barely scratched the surface of some of this abuse.

Abuse is sadly part of the dark side of human nature. The strong abuses the weak, the rich abuses the poor and the powerful abuses the powerless.

Labor abuse (including maids abuse) in Dubai can only eliminated, or at least minimized, by having tough labor laws, labor unions, free press, freedom of speech, the strict enforcement of the labor laws not to mention reforming the present sponsorship system.

Well said.

Speedhump wrote:Child jockeys have been 'imported' by pretend 'uncles' (in other words human trafficking) and sold to racing farms, you know this. They are abandoned there and suffer not only excruciating terror strapped to huge animals, but also suffer s*xual abuse by their employers. It is all documented, even here, we're not talking about articles written in western newspapers.

Nine year olds cannot and should not work as jockeys, or in sweatshops in India or Asia, or anywhere for that matter. You know very well they have been used as puppets and had no choice in the matter. They still are, in illegal racing meetings which are occasionally exposed. Why? What on earth possesses adults to abuse small powerless children this way.

The government have made half-hearted attempts to stop it by issuing new laws several times since the 1990's (in fact I think just issuing the same law again and again), but it still goes on.

read my post carefuly speedhump.

uaekid wrote:

Speedhump wrote:Child jockeys have been 'imported' by pretend 'uncles' (in other words human trafficking) and sold to racing farms, you know this. They are abandoned there and suffer not only excruciating terror strapped to huge animals, but also suffer s*xual abuse by their employers. It is all documented, even here, we're not talking about articles written in western newspapers.

Nine year olds cannot and should not work as jockeys, or in sweatshops in India or Asia, or anywhere for that matter. You know very well they have been used as puppets and had no choice in the matter. They still are, in illegal racing meetings which are occasionally exposed. Why? What on earth possesses adults to abuse small powerless children this way.

The government have made half-hearted attempts to stop it by issuing new laws several times since the 1990's (in fact I think just issuing the same law again and again), but it still goes on.

read my post carefuly speedhump.

I think that I did. You are saying that these childen were worse off at home. I am just completely disagreeing with you, because you are talking only about money (and of course are assuming that they are paid and fed properly, rather than being half starved to keep their weight down, as the older and bigger they get the less use they are).

It's an argument you maybe can apply to some of the badly treated construction workers here (all those that came here with their eyes open and were not duped by Indian/Bangla/Pakistani tricksters at home and then corrupt building companies here), but not to kids who are having their lives destroyed and have no power to stop it. It's immoral.

If you are defending the use of child jockeys I can't think of anything else to say to you!

what was the goal of the hall campain ? a better life for them ? do they have it back home ? do you think they won't get abused to make moeny over there ?

all I'm saying is that whomever started the campain shouldn've never stop when UAE sent them back ! they should've provided an alternative for them and their families . correct ?

I understand your point. If they get abused at home that also is bad of course but I hope you're not saying that it's OK to abuse them because they are here because that's madness.

Or are you sayng that rather than send them home to poverty, the UAE government should have set up a fund for them here or a charity or something. Allowed them free schooling, healthcare, even foster parents, as many other countries do.

uaekid wrote:what was the goal of the hall campain ? a better life for them ? do they have it back home ? do you think they won't get abused to make moeny over there ?

all I'm saying is that whomever started the campain shouldn've never stop when UAE sent them back ! they should've provided an alternative for them and their families . correct ?

This reasoning of yours is lunatic. What kind of person are you Kid!

Your crazy between the ears. Sanity gone and lost, if you ever had that in that 'pellet' of yours!

Define RobbyG:

In the words of the comedian Harry Enfield '"I say what I like, and I like what I bloody well say!"

(means blunt speaking)

Speedhump wrote:Define RobbyG:

In the words of the comedian Harry Enfield '"I say what I like, and I like what I bloody well say!"

(means blunt speaking)

I see you have ambitions in lecturing preach and social behaviours?

Blunt I can be, like a Hammer on your Camelhump. Instead of flattening, it shifts to his belly, becoming a wrath.

Blunt enough for ya I hope

LOL, I have to start calling you Iron Robby Tyson

You can read my rebuttal on Friday's edition of The Independent. Look it up if you wish.

Speedhump wrote:LOL, I have to start calling you Iron Robby Tyson

I already heard another one I like more: 'Canonball Rob'

My left foot was representing that name during my soccer time in my recent history. The balls didn't sway, they impacted the keeper like a bullet/canonball.

Its very appropriate here too

Sultan Sooud Al-Qassemi wrote:You can read my rebuttal on Friday's edition of The Independent. Look it up if you wish.

Welcome Sultan.

It is nice to greet someone who can really discuss some of the issues that need attention.

I read your rebuttal. It was a modest one.
How would you describe Hari's total overview? Reasonable perhaps considering his 'negative' but realistic opinion of the 'Dark Side of Dubai'?

I think it is a good thing to address certain issues that are ignored in the UAE media, as part of the complete views people have on Dubai.
We had years of promotion talk and positive publicity that addressed 'The Bright Side of Dubai'. I think its fair to say this was to be expected.

This kind of columns would not be appearing, in my opinion, if reporting in Dubai (or UAE in general) would be somewhat more open/free, without putting certain pressures on local media.

Can you elaborate on this view of mine, Sultan?