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Is it time to grant expats residency? Feb 21, 2010
Is it time to grant expats residency?

by Damian Reilly on Thursday, 18 February 2010

http://www.arabianbusiness.com/581838-i ... -residency

Less than a month after Bahrain's Labour Minister railed against the threat posed by expatriate workers to local people's culture and very "existence", while advocating their removal from the Gulf as quickly as is humanly possible, a calmer voice has been heard opining on the subject.

Mishal Kanoo, thoughtful head of one the region's major business dynasties, says he thinks long-term UAE residents should be granted residency, should they want it, in reward for their efforts to build the country.

"Someone who has been here for thirty-odd years, in the country, they should naturally get residency. That is my opinion. I have no issues with residency. As long as people are coming to add value, why not?" he told my colleague Joanne Bladd.

The issue of residency is a tough one for UAE policymakers, who are keen to ensure their own people are well looked after and that the local way of life is preserved. The main fear is that local people might get overwhelmed by hordes of foreigners - after all, they are already a minority in their own country.

Granting residency and granting citizenship are two very different things in the Gulf, where local people enjoy substantial financial support from their respective governments, in addition to free schooling, healthcare and other benefits.

Granting residency, presumably, would not entitle expatriates to the privileges of citizenship, such as access to social welfare for free, it would only remove the imperative to leave the country as soon as becoming unemployed. That said, it would change the mindset of those granted it towards the country in which they live.

The proud owner of a permanent residency visa to a GCC country would be far more likely to see his surroundings as a place in which to put down roots. Whether that is a good thing is a question for lawmakers.

One thing residency for long term GCC dwellers would prevent is the sad sight of people at retirement age leaving the country they love and have given the best years of their life to help build simply because they can no longer contribute to it professionally. That has always seemed a harsh way to say thank you.

A nasty fright this week opening my monthly water and electricity bill. It's gone from the usual AED150 to something horribly close to AED700, a rise of more than 400 percent. Some mistake? The patient lady on the telephone at DEWA - Dubai's water and electricity authority - explains it is the newly added Housing Fee, which everyone in Dubai should have been paying since its inception in early 2005.

The reason some people are only starting to pay it now is because the process of adding everyone's name to the relevant database has been a long and painstaking one, she said. The Housing Fee, for those of you still not acquainted with it - and judging from internet forums for Dubai expatriates, that is quite a lot of people - is either an annual five percent of your rent, or one percent of the property's purchase price, payable monthly.

Still indignant at the sudden hike in the bill, I asked if people could expect a backdated bill for all the months they hadn't been paying, through no fault of their own. "Yes," was the answer. Of course, the lady on the phone wasn't an official spokeswoman for DEWA, she was a call centre operative trained to answer customer queries.

When I called back again, the man who answered said there would be no backdated bills. Efforts to get hold of DEWA spokesperson proper have proved about as fruitful as catching a Mossad secret agent. Can anyone clarify the situation? Because on top of speeding fines, SALIK penalties (which are essentially a tax on forgetfulness), parking fines, property service fees and maintenance charges, a backdated bill for housing fees (for road cleaning and public bins, the lady on the phone explained) would be highly unwelcome at the moment.

Damian Reilly is the editor of Arabian Business.


The comments after the article are also well worth reading.

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dont think so, SOME expats amongst us dont respect Islam, UAE culture and its rules and regulations.
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rudeboy wrote:dont think so, SOME expats amongst us dont respect Islam, UAE culture and its rules and regulations.


I agree with you for the minority, however the vast majority of expats do in fact respect Islam and the UAE culture etc.
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rudeboy wrote:dont think so, SOME expats amongst us dont respect Islam, UAE culture and its rules and regulations.


I agree with you for the minority, however the vast majority of expats do in fact respect Islam and the UAE culture etc.


Yes therefore they should do a screening test to see who is FIT enough to get the residency.
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rudeboy wrote:dont think so, SOME expats amongst us dont respect Islam, UAE culture and its rules and regulations.


I agree with you for the minority, however the vast majority of expats do in fact respect Islam and the UAE culture etc.


Yes therefore they should do a screening test to see who is FIT enough to get the residency.


That in fact would be a good idea, however it should be carefully thought out as to what the criteria of the test should be.
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they should see who is bashing against UAE etc etc on the forums :D
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rudeboy wrote:they should see who is bashing against UAE etc etc on the forums :D


Not a bad idea at all, I am sure their are many of them who would jump at the chance of getting perminent residency.
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Re: Is it time to grant expats residency? Feb 22, 2010
It will never, ever happen. If it did, there would probably be a petition to rename Dubai to Dumbai. :lol:
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Re: Is it time to grant expats residency? Feb 24, 2010
Bora Bora wrote:It will never, ever happen. If it did, there would probably be a petition to rename Dubai to Dumbai. :lol:


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Bora Bora wrote:It will never, ever happen. If it did, there would probably be a petition to rename Dubai to Dumbai. :lol:


Is that a wish or a forcast?
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Bora Bora wrote:It will never, ever happen. If it did, there would probably be a petition to rename Dubai to Dumbai. :lol:


Is that a wish or a forcast?


Sage, you have been here long enough to possibly recall that before free zones were established a certain group wanted the passport and it was shot down in a heartbeat. Keep in mind that locals are the minority and if passports were issued to expats, it would become a situation were locals would be overtaken. This is their land and they have the right to do what is necessary to ensure that it remains so.

I know of a few people who were issued the UAE passport, at the discretion of the government, but they were Arabs and had lived here for many years. It's an Arab country and I believe that they want to keep it that way. Those expats that are not Arab and hold the passport are women who married a local, and even in some instances, some women were not willing to give up the passport that they held for the UAE passport.

Some passports, IMHO, are more "important" than the UAE passport. On the other hand, the UAE passport holds more value than others. I don't mean that in a derogatory way. But let's just say that if I held both, my first preference would be the US passport. But for others, the UAE passport might be their first preference over their original passport. For me, I would never trade my passport in for a UAE passport, as I see no benefit in doing that, but for others, there may be a great benefit to having it, especially if you have the money to gobble up land and property, and be under a government that takes care of its citizens far better than the country that they are trading the passport for. And let's be real, most people who would get the UAE passport would turn in their original passport in exchange for the UAE passport, as is required, but then go right back to their "previous" embassy and report their passport lost and have it replaced (as been known to happen) enabling them to hold 2 passports.

They locals have lost so much in the growth process, why should they give up their country as well.
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It is said that only Arab Nationals from other Countries are required to relinquish their previous nationality, however for others i.e British or US citizens it would be allowed to hold dual citizenship.
I don't believe that they would be "Giving up" their country, but a lot can be gained by granting citizenship to a limited group.
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sage & onion wrote:It is said that only Arab Nationals from other Countries are required to relinquish their previous nationality, however for others i.e British or US citizens it would be allowed to hold dual citizenship.
I don't believe that they would be "Giving up" their country, but a lot can be gained by granting citizenship to a limited group.


Sage, what do you consider "alot to be gained"? What would be gained? And who would be the "limited group"?

As a citizen, you would have the same rights as locals - all the perks that goes with being a local, and possibly the right to hold a government position. If that would not be the case, do you tell people who get the citizenship that it is given conditional and with limits?

I'll be frank here, Indians were the ones who wanted citizenship. Yes, they made contributions to the UAE, but at the same time they made a ton of money. Recently there was an article I read where they were the majority who bought property in Dubai, followed only by the Pakistanis. Do you see where I'm going with this??

It would be everything to lose, nothing to gain for the country. The only ones who gain would be those getting the citizenship. I say let the locals keep their country, they have already lost enough.

OMG, are you one of those who would want the UAE passport?? :)
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rudeboy wrote:dont think so, SOME expats amongst us dont respect Islam, UAE culture and its rules and regulations.


So if you prefer religious rule as a law for a country why the effin hell are you on a Brit passport in the first place where the common law espouses democracy and secularism? Is'nt that a conflict of ideology?
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rudeboy wrote:dont think so, SOME expats amongst us dont respect Islam, UAE culture and its rules and regulations.


So if you prefer religious rule as a law for a country why the effin hell are you on a Brit passport in the first place where the common law espouses democracy and secularism? Is'nt that a conflict of ideology?


whats a religious rule got to do with a passport :S british passport doesnt mean I am a follower of church of england lol. Passport is just nationality, why do you have Muslims that have Indian passports? Or christians in Pakistan that have Pakistani passports etc etc.

England is not based on the sharia law even then I respect their laws, rituals, culture, loud disturbing music at night :D and drunk fools sleeping here and there on the road :D

There is no country in the world, where religion doesnt have a single say in the country law. Example, look at your india, where the laws are based on Hinduism which says that kissing out of wedlock in public places is not allowed. And I am sure that some states across India have this law. Right? And yet when some foreigners will go into India and find out about this law, they will abuse the law makers, call them monkeys :D and ask you what kind of a law is this!!! Yet its the law of the country and ppl get on with it.

Similiar here, UAE is a muslim country so its laws are based on Sharia law and you get on with it. Foreigners will complain oh why do you have bloody money, why kill someone, why chop their hands off, why se x is not allowed in public etc etc. If those ppl actually read the Quran, it says why these laws are there and it makes sense.
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rudeboy wrote:dont think so, SOME expats amongst us dont respect Islam, UAE culture and its rules and regulations.


So if you prefer religious rule as a law for a country why the effin hell are you on a Brit passport in the first place where the common law espouses democracy and secularism? Is'nt that a conflict of ideology?


whats a religious rule got to do with a passport :S british passport doesnt mean I am a follower of church of england lol. Passport is just nationality, why do you have Muslims that have Indian passports? Or christians in Pakistan that have Pakistani passports etc etc.

England is not based on the sharia law even then I respect their laws, rituals, culture, loud disturbing music at night :D and drunk fools sleeping here and there on the road :D

There is no country in the world, where religion doesnt have a single say in the country law. Example, look at your india, where the laws are based on Hinduism which says that kissing out of wedlock in public places is not allowed. And I am sure that some states across India have this law. Right? And yet when some foreigners will go into India and find out about this law, they will abuse the law makers, call them monkeys :D and ask you what kind of a law is this!!! Yet its the law of the country and ppl get on with it.

Similiar here, UAE is a muslim country so its laws are based on Sharia law and you get on with it. Foreigners will complain oh why do you have bloody money, why kill someone, why chop their hands off, why se x is not allowed in public etc etc. If those ppl actually read the Quran, it says why these laws are there and it makes sense.


HEY!!! ESMERALDA - take this to the religious forum. What does this have to do with giving expats the passport????
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I think they should consider something as otherwise whats the point of buying a property out here to retire, if you have to leave the country every month etc.
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Roadtester wrote:I think they should consider something as otherwise whats the point of buying a property out here to retire, if you have to leave the country every month etc.


I never thought Dubai as a place to retire. Totally unaffordable to the average retiree. I think most that bought, bought for the sheer investment - buy=sell=make money! And as you know, what the law is today, does not mean it will be law tomorrow. In the beginning when selling the property, the law made in attractive to buy. Once it was gobbled up, bang!! change in law. Laws change like the weather in the US - it can be unpredictable. If they consider something it should be to introduce a law that would make residency easier for those who did buy property and once declaring it as law - leave it at that. I'm sure that the requirement pushed people to sell off their property. Who needs the hassle??
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Roadtester wrote:I think they should consider something as otherwise whats the point of buying a property out here to retire, if you have to leave the country every month etc.


I never thought Dubai as a place to retire. Totally unaffordable to the average retiree. I think most that bought, bought for the sheer investment - buy=sell=make money! And as you know, what the law is today, does not mean it will be law tomorrow. In the beginning when selling the property, the law made in attractive to buy. Once it was gobbled up, bang!! change in law. Laws change like the weather in the US - it can be unpredictable. If they consider something it should be to introduce a law that would make residency easier for those who did buy property and once declaring it as law - leave it at that. I'm sure that the requirement pushed people to sell off their property. Who needs the hassle??


My assumption was that Dubai was positioning itself as a future retirement destination, otherwise what the point of all this accomodation, as when the major infrastructure ceases the hyper seasonal demand will mean lots of vacant property. If you buy property i dont know why you cant be given a ten yearl multiple entry visa or something.
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@bora lol you must wake up every morning and go "OOOOOOOOOOH that rudeboy, I am gonna sort him out t0day" Lol

Sounds like you are frustrated ;)
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Roadtester wrote:I think they should consider something as otherwise whats the point of buying a property out here to retire, if you have to leave the country every month etc.


I never thought Dubai as a place to retire. Totally unaffordable to the average retiree. I think most that bought, bought for the sheer investment - buy=sell=make money! And as you know, what the law is today, does not mean it will be law tomorrow. In the beginning when selling the property, the law made in attractive to buy. Once it was gobbled up, bang!! change in law. Laws change like the weather in the US - it can be unpredictable. If they consider something it should be to introduce a law that would make residency easier for those who did buy property and once declaring it as law - leave it at that. I'm sure that the requirement pushed people to sell off their property. Who needs the hassle??


My assumption was that Dubai was positioning itself as a future retirement destination, otherwise what the point of all this accomodation, as when the major infrastructure ceases the hyper seasonal demand will mean lots of vacant property. If you buy property i dont know why you cant be given a ten yearl multiple entry visa or something.


I agree with your assumption, but when you factor in so many other things: medical, high cost of living, general need for 2 cars, it would be a very expensive retirement - and now you would have to add in the cost of airline tickets every year to leave Dubai so that you can come back and live in Dubai. :roll:

I believe when they first promoted all those villas/apartments for sale the residency deal was sweet enough to factor in as Dubai being a place to retire (again, assuming one could afford to), but after all was said and done - the residency requirements are now a bit sour. Then again, there really isn't much forward thinking when it comes to certain things, is there?
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rudeboy wrote:@bora lol you must wake up every morning and go "OOOOOOOOOOH that rudeboy, I am gonna sort him out t0day" Lol

Sounds like you are frustrated ;)


Esmerelda, the only time I give any thought to you is when I see your name on DF. Outside of that, you don't exist. I don't know what frustration is - haven't experienced it in a long time. :wink:

You on the other hand missy...........have certainly demonstrated to everyone what frustrates you. :lol: :lol:
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rudeboy wrote:@bora lol you must wake up every morning and go "OOOOOOOOOOH that rudeboy, I am gonna sort him out t0day" Lol

Sounds like you are frustrated ;)


Esmerelda, the only time I give any thought to you is when I see your name on DF. Outside of that, you don't exist. I don't know what frustration is - haven't experienced it in a long time. :wink:

You on the other hand missy...........have certainly demonstrated to everyone what frustrates you. :lol: :lol:


He left his O-ring on your doorstep last night hon. You better put some CCTV up there bcause he's spanking his monkey vigorously against your knob :lol: 8)

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rudeboy wrote:@bora lol you must wake up every morning and go "OOOOOOOOOOH that rudeboy, I am gonna sort him out t0day" Lol

Sounds like you are frustrated ;)


Esmerelda, the only time I give any thought to you is when I see your name on DF. Outside of that, you don't exist. I don't know what frustration is - haven't experienced it in a long time. :wink:

You on the other hand missy...........have certainly demonstrated to everyone what frustrates you. :lol: :lol:



whatever mr bora, I suggest you go back and look at every post where I have posted, and you will notice that everyone ignores me :( but only you reply. AWWWW sho swheeet of you seriously if I was single I would have thought for a while but sorry to disappoint you honey. so it shows who is giving attention to who :D

hmmm I must remind you of eeyore (someone cute and huggable :D) thats why there are Donkeys in your mind or you want to explain your obsession with donkeys ;)

its best to ignore me if I get too much for you :D
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rudeboy wrote:whatever mr bora, I suggest you go back and look at every post where I have posted, and you will notice that everyone ignores me :( but only you reply. AWWWW sho swheeet of you seriously if I was single I would have thought for a while but sorry to disappoint you honey. so it shows who is giving attention to who :D

hmmm I must remind you of eeyore (someone cute and huggable :D) thats why there are Donkeys in your mind or you want to explain your obsession with donkeys ;)

its best to ignore me if I get too much for you :D


Playing with you missy. It's not a matter of you being single or not, it's a matter of me being the wrong gender. :lol: I get it - you want me to ignore you - once again I have to ask: can't take the pressure?? Am I'm ruining your big bad butch image??? :lol:
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rudeboy wrote:whatever mr bora, I suggest you go back and look at every post where I have posted, and you will notice that everyone ignores me :( but only you reply. AWWWW sho swheeet of you seriously if I was single I would have thought for a while but sorry to disappoint you honey. so it shows who is giving attention to who :D

hmmm I must remind you of eeyore (someone cute and huggable :D) thats why there are Donkeys in your mind or you want to explain your obsession with donkeys ;)

its best to ignore me if I get too much for you :D


Playing with you missy. It's not a matter of you being single or not, it's a matter of me being the wrong gender. :lol: I get it - you want me to ignore you - once again I have to ask: can't take the pressure?? Am I'm ruining your big bad butch image??? :lol:


there goes the baaaaa again. damn.
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Playing with you missy. It's not a matter of you being single or not, it's a matter of me being the wrong gender. :lol: I get it - you want me to ignore you - once again I have to ask: can't take the pressure?? Am I'm ruining your big bad butch image??? :lol:


there goes the baaaaa again. damn.


Oohhw somebody is running on high heels here. :D

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Playing with you missy. It's not a matter of you being single or not, it's a matter of me being the wrong gender. :lol: I get it - you want me to ignore you - once again I have to ask: can't take the pressure?? Am I'm ruining your big bad butch image??? :lol:


there goes the baaaaa again. damn.


Oohhw somebody is running on high heels here. :D

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'Esmeralda' is soooo in denial right now :lol: ;)
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Playing with you missy. It's not a matter of you being single or not, it's a matter of me being the wrong gender. :lol: I get it - you want me to ignore you - once again I have to ask: can't take the pressure?? Am I'm ruining your big bad butch image??? :lol:


there goes the baaaaa again. damn.


Oohhw somebody is running on high heels here. :D

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a donkey in sheep's clothing. :lol: :lol:
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